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The path of least resistance is the path the authorities take.

At my elementary school, teachers weren't even allowed to send their students to the office.

it's not that they don't care; the system is designed to make sure individuality & greatness gets punished, yet egalitarian mediocrity gets praised.

Basically, everyone says that the educational system is in ruins; not even close. It's running exactly as it was always intended to. It's sick, and barbaric, but unfortunately humanity has always handled their populations like this....disturbingly enough...even in Greek & Roman times.

Eventually the film, class of 1999 will come true.

The entire concept of school needs a re-think.
Teaching people how to understand each other is far more important at a young age.

http://www.news.com.au/national/bullyin ... 5880924646

Schools don't do jack, if you want something done you call the police or carry a impact/tactical pen for self defense. It's a pen that is strong enough to be used as a weapon in self defence situations without breaking. They're legal in most countries.

The Doctor82 wrote

Do you have any empirical data which would demonstrate that this is how "the system is designed" or is this just an idea you pulled out of the dear leader's objectivist handbook?


It would seem to me that this society rewards "individuality and greatness" at least as much as rewards "egalitarian mediocrity".


Or do you expect us all to weep for all the long-suffering victims of our evil not-capitalist-enough-for-the-Randroids society?


You know....horribly persecuted and oppressed souls like Lady Gaga, Bill Gates and Jack Welch.


*Pulls out the world's smallest violin*

hmm, I feel that bullying of any sort should be stamped out of existence before it becomes a critical problem.Excuse my harshness here yet, I was bullied therefore, I feel there is a real need for some ways & means a school system can do something about this growing epic however, all forms of dealing with bullying has it's pro's and con's..

I had teachers laugh at me when I was getting bullied sometimes.It was like they were saying go ahead I do not care about this kid. That alone gave the bullies a sense of empowerment to do as they liked. But when I fought back by hitting someone or spitting on them the teacher would freak the F' out. (If someone is treating me like dirt I have noremorse to spit in that person's face. It is the biggest direspect I can give out without killing someone)

Empirical data? You must be joking. Any empirical data would come from those who graduate with the highest grades from said "system." C'mon man! Nobody's going to shoot the system that made them what they are. Even if they did, they'd most likely be censured.

Why is it that sometimes we can't just express an opinion based on our own experience and particular outlook without being told is isn't valid unless we can produce proof? It's ridiculous. It's just an opinion for crying out loud. Take it for what it is.

I don't happen to agree the system is designed as such. I think it's more a matter of poor individual judgment calls. But there are far too many poor judgment calls made like this. I'm not much of a fan of Rush Limbaugh, but there is a phrase he used to use a lot that I think applies here. "By accident or design," this is the result we get from poor judgments of individuals within the system.

The school district our kids are in educates their staff to watch for bullying behavior before it gets to this point. They do a pretty decent job of it too by our experience so far. Though we have heard from our kids some examples of what you might call "the tip of the iceberg" kind of stuff, whenever we've addressed it, the kids responsible have been not only spoken to, but brought into sessions with the kids they have intimidated, and forced to face them under controlled circumstances. It's not about getting anyone to admit to wrongdoing. It's about getting the kids to see each other (both the supposed perpetrators and the supposed victims) as people they might actually become friends with. It works pretty well. A couple of my kids have actually made friends with some kids they didn't at all like at first.

For any kid to suddenly show up in class with hair cut off means somebody is NOT doing as much as they ought to addressing this kind of thing.

Kids that are doing this sort of thing and nothing being done about it are learning it's okay. That is definitely not what we're paying our taxes for anybody's kids to learn.

I guess I was a bit lucky in elementary school; I wasn't bullied until fourth grade but, on the other hand, half of my schooling before that was spent out of the country. And, even then, I was still able to keep a one or two friends and the teacher did try to help when he could. I did still get in a bit of trouble when I tried tried to defend myself, but I always went about it the wrong way, such as threatening the other kids and making extremely derogatory remarks. I was, and still am, really bad at tact for obvious reasons.

Brings me back to my completely awesome childhood, where kids would bully me and I'd get in trouble for attacking back. Oh joy.

I took a graduate class called POWER, DISCIPLINE AND JUSTICE. Some of the people whose works we read were Anthony Giddens, Michel Foucault and Emile Durkheim.

I believe it was Foucault who wrote Discipline and Punish--a description of the way prisons (and schools, and military barracks) are run. I can't quite remember who wrote that formal schooling became compulsory in the U.S. around the time of the Industrial Revolution (probably Giddens--he wrote about the concept of "modernity"). This was partially a response to child labor, and partially a means of creating generations of "ideal workers" who learn to follow instructions, squelch their own creativity and be content working on an assembly line (and, later, in a cubicle).

So, yes, the system is running according to plan.

What some people have said about the "odd ones" who are bullied being ignored because they are "odd" is probably quite true--later, they will be more likely to question the system and potentially point out its flaws. We can't have THAT happening, now can we?!?

And then, the bullies who were permitted to survive and thrive often end up contributing nothing truly useful to society.

No wonder this society is in a downwards spiral.

a few weeks ago unbelievable my little seven year old cousin ( NT) came down my house and when my mother
ask why you didn't go to school he said, my mom kept me home so those kids and school want bother me i don't know why they do it. he a sweet kid just have a hard time making and keeping friends he kinda too clingy and at time i had to tell him stop buying people stuff just so they play with you. i swear what the hell in he goes to the same elementary school i attended. look like much haven't change. poor kid get kick down a flight of stairs by a girl while 5 of her other friends laugh and when it was reported what the school says he should of told us when it happen. no suspension or nothing. that little boy need to learn how to f##k these stupid kids up.

When stuff gets that violent and nothing is done, call the police. No s**t.

in my experience as a bully and as a victim

the one being bullied will lash out and get in trouble..not th bully because they are thinking of being under the radar with what they are doing so they don't get caught. just think of a brother and sister where the brother keeps bothering the sister to make her mad but when the parents look he pretends to be good and the parents yell at the sister for accusing.