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I did not say that Aspies could not be liars I said it goes against the Asperger/Autism character to lie. Its very difficult to lie even when we are "supposed to" to save others from being upset.....ie white lies. I am protesting the fact that I was quoted as attacking your character...this I did not do and I do not wish to be accused of it.

woah!! way to get popular around here...start a topic saying goodbye!! *runs to new topic button*
Hey Decepticon Im totally kidding man. Im glad you are staying too...the only communication we have had is by PM but I'm glad to know you. You are much more friendly than you let on

I didn't accuse you. You had every right to say what you did - but I do feel you took me out of context. My intention was not to provoke. I did not make global statements about aspies. However, I did not respond well to others.

You don't have to like me. My questions may bother you. But it's important that I can speak here and people have invited me to. I am accepted nowhere else.



Thank you.

liloleme I have been accused of attacking people and insulting people here when I hadn't. I am not sure why. Maybe because they didn't agree with me or I said something they didn't want to hear. Heck even calling out peoples irony, some see that as an attack so some have attacked me for that. I got told it has to do with pride. Last month I made a comment in the Random Discussion and a user said I was rude. I just said that was his opinion and I moved on. Luckily one other person stood up for me by saying I wasn't being rude and explained what I was trying to say and she happened to be correct about what I meant.

Decepticon, don't let those people get to you if they get upset with your questions or your opinions or thoughts. I have probably pissed many people off here myself because I have been called a troll before. I admire people here who speak their minds even if it means a drama might break out because it was something that user said that people here don't like to hear (or I should say read ).

And honestly when you posted Aspies are Lazy, I thought there was going to be a drama but instead it was taken well and there was no drama. My first thoughts were "Uh oh." I knew it was a curious question but I wasn't sure if other people were going to know that. The title was one of those things that aspies here don't like to hear but because you had asked a question, that's probably why the thread didn't break out into a drama with hostile defensive replies.

*SIGH*
I didnt say that YOU accused me....it was the person I quoted, who quoted me, that accused me alright?

Thanks!

I know, I also didn't say a lot of other things either...

I was trying to say I had no issue with you. Maybe break-the-ice.

However, I can your only concern is what somebody said about you. So I'll leave you at it.

Seems like all of us talking monkeys are done squabbling now eh?


I think we all understand where Deception was coming from right?


I also think alot of us are a bit too sensitive....myself included.


After a lifetime of ill-treatment and demonization from the NT world....we're sensitive for good reason.

In a somewhat unrelated aside....i'd like to suggest that the entire whirlpool of bitterness (as mild as it was) expressed in this thread is based entirely on the implicit belief in free will. Said belief also catches me off-guard on the emotional level too.

Just something to think about.

Again, I appreciate all the support. I do.

I have learned some things here. I thank you!

Let's move forward.

P.S. Horus, it's not Deception It's Decepticon

Re-read what you wrote as if it is written by someone else, you don't know their thoughts, all you see is words on the screen. And then tell me if it sounds attacking.

Yes I beleive you you didn't mean it to be an attack since you said it wasn't and I tend to assume people are honest. But until you said it, I had to go by what it read like, and it sounded like an attack, which is why I said it was. I am not a mind reader.

Besides, the original intention of my reply was to explain why Decepticon wanted to leave. So, if it sounded to me like an attack, it could have also sounded to him as such. Now, if TO HIM it seemed like an attack then, naturally, he was hurt. Even if in reality it wasn't meant to be an attack, he would still be hurt since he is not a mind reader either. And no, I am not asking you to shut your mouth. As I said, the purpose was to EXPLAIN why he left, as opposed to accusing others.

And, finally, I didn't mean to attack you, personally. I just got an impression taht "everyone" was attacking Deception, and I needed to pull a couple of quotes to back myself up. You just happened to be one of the two people I quoted. I never held it against you since I know that most people WOULD be defensive in response to Deception's attitude. Yes, I did say that I disagree with most people's reaction; but since what I disagree with pertains MOST PEOPLE, not just you, there is no reason for me to attack you, personally.

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Ack....very sorry about that.

Just for the record, I agree with you. Aspies make excellent liars because we display (or don't) the exact same non-verbal cues whether we are lying or telling the truth.

EDIT: for grammar

Ok...this is the last time Im going to post in this thread. Attacking a "persons character" is saying something against a someone "personally".
What I said was that IF I had read the posts before that are now changed to look completely harmless and innocent that I would not have bothered to post. This has nothing to do with the Decepticon personally this has to do with the words and even his own admission that he enjoyed messing with people.



I did not edit or alter what I wrote but Decepticon did....this is why my comment and others look cruel. I have re read my post and I still see no personal attacks....do you?

Not true... "now changed to look completely harmless and innocent ".

My statement about " I like reactions and I've had my fill for the day" meant I like when people debate and it's all no big deal. It's just us. My thanks was geniune.

The problem here is that you never asked me what I meant, you assumed. Never did I say "all aspies were this and that"...I always had a question.

The issue was I made mistakes in some of my responses. I acknowledged it.

That's the truth and I seem to have support and I too am done on the issue. Take care

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Disclaimer: I have not read the offending threads.

What you posted in this post is all true. Aspies can lie, and some do lie well. Aspies can live parasitically, and some do live parasitic lifestyles. Aspies can be lazy, and some of them are. All of these statements can also be said of NTs. Despite the fact that we Aspies feel like we're on the wrong planet, we still are as human as other people.

The main reason why I started learning social skills was because I wanted to be understood. It took a lot of trial and error, but I eventually realized I had to learn social skills and nonverbal cues in a different way than NTs did. I'd like to figure out a way to systematize what I did and share it with other Aspies. I do it so intuitively now that it would take some effort to figure out the algorithm, but I'm sure it could be done. Hmmm . . . .

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I guess it is a fine line that I just didn't see. I mean, you do admit that by seeing his name on the post you would react differently than if you saw someone else's name. So to me it sounds like it is about him personally.

But I guess when I think of it I do see your side. May be what you are trying to say is that you have a negative opinion of his behavior online, but NOT about his behavior in his job, with his family, etc. So thats why it is not an opinion about his character as a whole. In this case yes you might be right. But most people don't split hairs that way, and thats why the way your post READS might look like an attack on a character even if it wasn't meant this way.

Now yes I wish people DID split hairs -- that is one of the biggest grudges I have about NT-s that htey take one thing and generalzie it to the person as a whole. But I guess since I am too used to the fact that they don't do the hair splitting I would want them to do, thats why I read your post the way I did.

Read the post in the wrongplanet.net board by her (her reply to my post), then you will see where she is coming from.