do you have any method to deal with depression?

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do you get depressed offend
yes 76%  76%  [ 22 ]
no 21%  21%  [ 6 ]
i dont want to say 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
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13 Jul 2010, 10:27 pm

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OK, I'm kind of sorry, but depression is caused by . . . <snip> . . . Boredom is not a factor in any of these.

All true. But the general consensus (as far as this layman understands, anyway) is that it's a chemical imbalance in the brain. If these extreme conditions can trigger that imbalance - and it appears as though they can - it may not be entirely unreasonable to suggest that extreme, long-term boredom might also trigger it. Extreme loss of interest in life and an endless sense of boredom are common symptoms/indicators of major depression. It's reasonable to suppose that there could be some linkage the other way, as well.

I'm not qualified to delve deeply into the argument she put forward, but I can't be quite as dismissive as you are - I think it could be worth a look. (although more qualified folks may have already looked at it).

Not that I'm suggesting this as a cause for most depression (let alone "the" cause), but it could be a factor in some percentage of cases.



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13 Jul 2010, 10:55 pm

I deal with depression in a few ways. I used to cry a lot when it was really bad. Crying helps but it became kind of like an addiction for me. I would make myself cry so I could do stuff I needed to without breaking down. I don't do that anymore thou & I haven't really had a major crying spell in a long time. I listen to music a lot & I think. I also like posting/ranting about it. I ticked quite a lot of people off online when it was really bad. When I have a problem; I like to talk about it obsessively. I also pig-out on junk & fast-food but I won't exactly recommended that unless your underweight or only do it 1ce in a while in moderation. Sleep helps me as well; I generally feel better when I wake up


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14 Jul 2010, 10:42 am

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Mudboy wrote:
Free-Hinter-System wrote:
>highly-amusing-but-in-this-context-doubleplusun-nice-image-inserted-by-mudboy<

Ah, c'mon! That was uncalled for. Funny, but uncalled for.

Free-Hinter-System -
As I said above, I do find your hypothesis interesting as one possible explanation for Depression.

You do realize, however, that it goes against pretty much everything known about the disorder. At least, I hope you know this. Proposing an alternative explanation to increase knowledge about a subject is great - talking out of your butt on a subject you know nothing about, isn't.

I also hope that you are aware that "chronic depression" does not appear to be a recognized disorder, while "Clinical Depression" most definitely is.

Are you aware of these two things?


If I had known people felt so strongly about the issue I would never have posted that comment. I have absolutely no interest in participating in an argument on this or any subject. However, this does not change the fact that I am right and therefore not ready to fold just yet. Nothing I have written on the subject contradicts anything that is known about the disorder, in fact it is very directly supported by the empirical evidence, as I've previously said. And I never once used the phrase "chronic depression", nor implied that it was an existing condition. You have clearly misunderstood my comment in some very serious ways.



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14 Jul 2010, 10:43 am

Good diet, fresh air, lots of exercise.

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14 Jul 2010, 10:51 am

I had a situational depression twice in my life.

The first time I had just graduated college, had no direction in my life and felt completely trapped. My initial solution to this was to drink everyday. That worked for a while until my stomach started burning and I woke up in the middle of the night feeling like I was having a heart attack. My next solution was to run away to Japan, as I just felt like I needed to be as far away from things as possible and start anew.

The second situational depression occured because someone close to me hurt me. What I did then was cry (a lot), sleep (a lot) and try to hang out with my other friends more. After a while I was able to get over it. But if I'd had to be alone all that time I think I would have snapped.



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14 Jul 2010, 10:52 am

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OK, I'm kind of sorry, but depression is caused by things that happen and things we see. Sometimes the world is awful and we can't change things. If a person experiences the same horror over and over it hurts worse and worse each time. Some people experience the horror of feeling ostracized. while others get their hearts broken by people who are supposed to love them. Some people experience things that are better left as nightmares than discussed with others. Boredom is not a factor in any of these.


Sorry for what? I suppose I missed your joke.

Anyways, I read your comment and can only say that it is flawed because the things you described would not affect everybody and they would not affect one person the same way consistently over a lifetime. Clearly there is another factor involved. Such things as those you described only affect people if they aren't strong psychologically -- and this psychological strength comes, bluntly, from distraction, perhaps a powerful internal connection to some idea or in general vibrant intellectual life.

In other words, somebody who doesn't have internal distractions will be far more susceptible to negative external conditions. In these situations depression is apt to develop.

Boredom, in this context, refers to the lack of internal distractions -- psychological long-term boredom, barren intellectual life, etc.

Have I explained it properly? God, I hope so, I want this to end.



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14 Jul 2010, 10:55 am

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Music
Music
More music.


Yes, I forgot to mention this. It really helps a lot to listen to lyrics that resonate with your mood.



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14 Jul 2010, 2:04 pm

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If I had known people felt so strongly about the issue I would never have posted that comment. I have absolutely no interest in participating in an argument on this or any subject. However, this does not change the fact that I am right and therefore not ready to fold just yet.
Instead of arguing with you, I will defer to your age and pray your experience in this matter never changes.


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14 Jul 2010, 2:27 pm

Free-Hinter-System wrote:
Such things as those you described only affect people if they aren't strong psychologically -- and this psychological strength comes, bluntly, from distraction, perhaps a powerful internal connection to some idea or in general vibrant intellectual life.

I don't see the argument here. There are plenty of examples of famous people with "vibrant intellectual lives" who were still prone to depression. I actually have a theory that high intuition and intelligence can make one *more* prone to becoming depressed. Why? Because intelligent people are more likely to become disenchanted through constant questioning. They may also become burned out and dissatisfied with a world that enforces conformity and doesn't respect their psychological need for novelty and creativity.



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14 Jul 2010, 3:28 pm

marshall wrote:
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Such things as those you described only affect people if they aren't strong psychologically -- and this psychological strength comes, bluntly, from distraction, perhaps a powerful internal connection to some idea or in general vibrant intellectual life.

I don't see the argument here.


Yes, the argument is childishly tenuous, and there are so many books and articles on depression (by people who have spent a lifetime researching or living it) that have little, or nothing, to say about boredom.



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14 Jul 2010, 4:00 pm

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Why? Because intelligent people are more likely to become disenchanted through constant questioning. They may also become burned out and dissatisfied with a world that enforces conformity and doesn't respect their psychological need for novelty and creativity.


Im sorry im not know to consider my self something but, i can attend that, that right there is a big factor i have with this world, just so im not another poster looked at as inexperience to what has been debated here as depression/ or to some boredom, i happen to have Major Depression its chemicall, ( lucky me).

I have a question do you have depression or have experienced it before, Free Hinter System?


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14 Jul 2010, 4:49 pm

Sometimes I sleep it off. Lately, I've started weight-lifting, which elevates my mood in general. Usually, I try to ignore it. I know that's easier said then done, but sometimes just doing something helps.



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14 Jul 2010, 4:56 pm

I should have known better than to post such an argument, because some people are so deeply invested in the matter that if it defies their impressions they will respond with hostility. I have an unfortunate knack for getting involved in, well, lets just call it education by the Socratic method... which I have utter dislike for.

All I can really say is that I have complete confidence in my theory and that you (plural) clearly lack the motivation to understand it. That's fine, but please no more diatribes.



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15 Jul 2010, 2:45 am

Free-Hinter-System wrote:
I should have known better than to post such an argument, because some people are so deeply invested in the matter that if it defies their impressions they will respond with hostility. I have an unfortunate knack for getting involved in, well, lets just call it education by the Socratic method... which I have utter dislike for.

All I can really say is that I have complete confidence in my theory and that you (plural) clearly lack the motivation to understand it. That's fine, but please no more diatribes.


I think that you are behaving like an idiot, and you are demonstrating a callous disregard for the hurt that your childish nonsense causes - the "investment", as you call it, is the direct experience of clinical depression, its effect upon the self and the family, as well as the treatment for it. There is plenty of motivation to avoid a repetition of that experience, and plenty of motivation to recognise unhelpful, immature nonsense.



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15 Jul 2010, 5:32 am

another_1 wrote:

I also hope that you are aware that "chronic depression" does not appear to be a recognized disorder, while "Clinical Depression" most definitely is.


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If I had known people felt so strongly about the issue I would never have posted that comment.

Um, ok. May I suggest you use this incident as a learning experience? When talking about a diagnosable disorder which kills people, and doing so with people who have already expressed the fact that they have had to deal with this disorder at some point, it is a good idea to assume that those people will feel strongly about the issue. Or, to put it another way: when someone has come close to dying from something, they tend to take that "thing" quite seriously.

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I have absolutely no interest in participating in an argument on this or any subject.

If you are unwilling to support your statement, you probably shouldn't have made such a controversial, counter intuitive comment.
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Nothing I have written on the subject contradicts anything that is known about the disorder, in fact it is very directly supported by the empirical evidence, as I've previously said.

A) "Nothing I have written . . . contradicts anything . . . known about the disorder." The response you have gotten clearly indicates that what you have written contradicts what is known about this disorder. If what you meant to say doesn't contradict this knowledge, you phrased your comment very poorly.

B) "it is very directly supported by the empirical evidence." Please provide some indication of how. Thus far, you have not done so.

C) "as I've previously said." Where? Not in this thread.

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And I never once used the phrase "chronic depression", nor implied that it was an existing condition.


Thanks for pointing out my typing error - this should have read " . . . 'chronic boredom' does not appear to be . . . " I've edited the post to read correctly.

In another post you say that you
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have an unfortunate knack for getting involved in, well, lets just call it education by the Socratic method... which I have utter dislike for.

Yes, yes - it seems clear from your responses that you do not like to (or are unable to, perhaps?) defend your position. I would suggest that you do one of two things at this point: either provide a better explanation of your theory, showing how it ties into the current understanding of Depression, or; quietly withdraw from this discussion. Your choice.



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15 Jul 2010, 6:41 am

I tend to deal with depression by getting myself some exercsie, though I'm not implying working out at Gold's gym for 8hrs or such.Nah! rather finding any activity you enjoy and taking part in it..2nd, I try to use meditation yet, I'm no expert at it.. Well, simply try to find something that works for you as an individual person..