AS/ASD & physical birth abnormalities

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Birth Abnormalities in ASD persons (Mark most disruptive)
None that I've found yet! 28%  28%  [ 37 ]
Yes; limbs, hands or feet misformed 4%  4%  [ 5 ]
Yes; circulatory / heart 7%  7%  [ 9 ]
Yes; cosmetic (left-ear-missing sort of thing) 4%  4%  [ 5 ]
Yes; eyes (color blind, lazy eye - things that glasses don't correct) 9%  9%  [ 12 ]
Yes; problems with legs (needing therapy or mechanical aids) 3%  3%  [ 4 ]
Yes; kidney, gallbladder, liver abnormalities 2%  2%  [ 2 ]
Yes; stomach, colon, rectal (not IBS) abnormalities 4%  4%  [ 5 ]
Yes; hearing or balance 4%  4%  [ 5 ]
Yes; missing entire / partial musculature or bones 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Yes; spinal (scoliosis, spina bifida, etc) 5%  5%  [ 7 ]
Yes; lungs / breathing / sealed nasal passage 3%  3%  [ 4 ]
Yes, but you forgot to gimme my option! 19%  19%  [ 25 ]
Such a personal question! Just show me results. 8%  8%  [ 10 ]
Total votes : 130

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03 Jun 2012, 2:44 pm

Wandering_Stranger wrote:
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I HATE these threads.

Is there any proof that any of these are all related to AS somehow, or does everyone on the spectrum really believe that all NTs are the most healthiest things on the planet? How come when I go in the doctors it's always full, and half the people aren't all old either?


Agreed. I have been told that some of my sensory issues might be related to AS; but there's also probable other causes.


Actually there is proof that certain syndromes that have some common features have much higher rates of autism than the general population. Ophthalmologic malformations, anomalies in fingers especially the thumbs I think and heart defects are a few. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1280092/



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03 Jun 2012, 3:37 pm

Washi wrote:
Wandering_Stranger wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
I HATE these threads.

Is there any proof that any of these are all related to AS somehow, or does everyone on the spectrum really believe that all NTs are the most healthiest things on the planet? How come when I go in the doctors it's always full, and half the people aren't all old either?


Agreed. I have been told that some of my sensory issues might be related to AS; but there's also probable other causes.


Actually there is proof that certain syndromes that have some common features have much higher rates of autism than the general population. Ophthalmologic malformations, anomalies in fingers especially the thumbs I think and heart defects are a few. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1280092/

That study partly has to do with thalidomide. Thalidomide affected pregnancies during a brief window of time. Misoprostol wouldn't apply in my case, either, since my mom was never at risk for ulcers from NSAIDs.



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03 Jun 2012, 3:41 pm

SpiritBlooms wrote:
Washi wrote:
Wandering_Stranger wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
I HATE these threads.

Is there any proof that any of these are all related to AS somehow, or does everyone on the spectrum really believe that all NTs are the most healthiest things on the planet? How come when I go in the doctors it's always full, and half the people aren't all old either?


Agreed. I have been told that some of my sensory issues might be related to AS; but there's also probable other causes.


Actually there is proof that certain syndromes that have some common features have much higher rates of autism than the general population. Ophthalmologic malformations, anomalies in fingers especially the thumbs I think and heart defects are a few. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1280092/

That study also has to do with thalidomide. That wouldn't apply to most people under 50 today with Asperger's, or all people older than that. Thalidomide affected pregnancies happened during a brief window of time.


That only applies to a fraction of the people in the study.



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03 Jun 2012, 3:42 pm

Washi wrote:
SpiritBlooms wrote:
Washi wrote:
Wandering_Stranger wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
I HATE these threads.

Is there any proof that any of these are all related to AS somehow, or does everyone on the spectrum really believe that all NTs are the most healthiest things on the planet? How come when I go in the doctors it's always full, and half the people aren't all old either?


Agreed. I have been told that some of my sensory issues might be related to AS; but there's also probable other causes.


Actually there is proof that certain syndromes that have some common features have much higher rates of autism than the general population. Ophthalmologic malformations, anomalies in fingers especially the thumbs I think and heart defects are a few. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1280092/

That study also has to do with thalidomide. That wouldn't apply to most people under 50 today with Asperger's, or all people older than that. Thalidomide affected pregnancies happened during a brief window of time.


That only applies to a fraction of the people in the study.
Sorry, I edited while you wrote this.



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03 Jun 2012, 3:46 pm

Joe90 wrote:
I HATE these threads.

Is there any proof that any of these are all related to AS somehow, or does everyone on the spectrum really believe that all NTs are the most healthiest things on the planet? How come when I go in the doctors it's always full, and half the people aren't all old either?

I've got a big mole on my tummy, I might start associating it with AS and I will prove that by looking for moles on every NT in the world and if none of them have any big moles then it will be because of my AS.


I think the OP wants to see if there's any things we have in common for physical deformities. I think most of us know that most of these things aren't because of AS. I kind of find it interesting what we have in common and what we don't but I don't automatically assume it's because of AS.

I'd be more convinced if a lot of people had seizures or something that had to do with the brain. In my experience I've known a lot of people with AS and autism who get seizures.



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03 Jun 2012, 3:50 pm

SpiritBlooms wrote:
Washi wrote:
Wandering_Stranger wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
I HATE these threads.

Is there any proof that any of these are all related to AS somehow, or does everyone on the spectrum really believe that all NTs are the most healthiest things on the planet? How come when I go in the doctors it's always full, and half the people aren't all old either?


Agreed. I have been told that some of my sensory issues might be related to AS; but there's also probable other causes.


Actually there is proof that certain syndromes that have some common features have much higher rates of autism than the general population. Ophthalmologic malformations, anomalies in fingers especially the thumbs I think and heart defects are a few. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1280092/

That study partly has to do with thalidomide. Thalidomide affected pregnancies during a brief window of time. Misoprostol wouldn't apply in my case, either, since my mom was never at risk for ulcers from NSAIDs.


My point had nothing to do with the environmental causes, the cause of CHARGE is still unknown but according to that study 1 in 3 people with CHARGE have some degree of autism and I imagine that number is probably higher because it was an old study. I don't know much about the other syndromes listed other than they have some similar effects and also have a higher rate of autism than the general population.



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03 Jun 2012, 3:51 pm

SpiritBlooms wrote:
Washi wrote:
SpiritBlooms wrote:
Washi wrote:
Wandering_Stranger wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
I HATE these threads.

Is there any proof that any of these are all related to AS somehow, or does everyone on the spectrum really believe that all NTs are the most healthiest things on the planet? How come when I go in the doctors it's always full, and half the people aren't all old either?


Agreed. I have been told that some of my sensory issues might be related to AS; but there's also probable other causes.


Actually there is proof that certain syndromes that have some common features have much higher rates of autism than the general population. Ophthalmologic malformations, anomalies in fingers especially the thumbs I think and heart defects are a few. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1280092/

That study also has to do with thalidomide. That wouldn't apply to most people under 50 today with Asperger's, or all people older than that. Thalidomide affected pregnancies happened during a brief window of time.


That only applies to a fraction of the people in the study.
Sorry, I edited while you wrote this.

np :)



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03 Jun 2012, 4:03 pm

lostgirl1986 wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
I HATE these threads.

Is there any proof that any of these are all related to AS somehow, or does everyone on the spectrum really believe that all NTs are the most healthiest things on the planet? How come when I go in the doctors it's always full, and half the people aren't all old either?

I've got a big mole on my tummy, I might start associating it with AS and I will prove that by looking for moles on every NT in the world and if none of them have any big moles then it will be because of my AS.


I think the OP wants to see if there's any things we have in common for physical deformities. I think most of us know that most of these things aren't because of AS. I kind of find it interesting what we have in common and what we don't but I don't automatically assume it's because of AS.

I'd be more convinced if a lot of people had seizures or something that had to do with the brain. In my experience I've known a lot of people with AS and autism who get seizures.


That's what I've always been afraid of. I've never had a seizure before in my life, and I am not prone to fainting either, but I've always been (and still am now) afraid that I might have a sudden seizure out of the blue in public or when driving. It really scares me. My grandmother had a sudden seizure a few months ago, she's in her 70s and it was the first seizure she had ever had in her life, but she has Alzheimer's. So if somebody with Alzheimer's could have a sudden seizure for no apparent reason, could somebody with AS have a sudden seizure for no apparent reason? It worries me.


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03 Jun 2012, 4:09 pm

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Let's see...

- Umbilical cord wrapped around my neck
- High metabolism (I eat too much and this is "normal" to me)
- Bone deformities in my chest (slightly dented in below my nipples, slight protrusion in the middle "pigeon breast", more on the left side than on the right)
- Nosehedge-warp that made my breathing a bit difficult and might have resulted me having a bit of hearing loss in my ears, especially the left one
- Slightly high-arched feet (had to wear arch-support)
- Slight ear deformity (rims are a bit too folded)
- Slightly enlarged knuckles with a propensity for inflammation (runs in my family on my father's side)

Later in my life:
- Adenotomy, tonsillectomy, adenoidectomy, and resectio septi nasi (nosehedge-warp straightened)
- I have a slight acquired bend in my spine and a slight dislocation of one waist vertebra

(I voted 'cosmetic')

Perhaps the one common thing in this thread is that people on the spectrum are more likely to have other developmental issues besides ASD. This by no means indicates that if someone doesn't have a singe 'abnormality' than one is not on the specturm or vice verse.


I don't know what nosehedge-warp is but certain nose anomalies/defects (usually choanal atresia but sometimes others) plus ear deformities (lop ears, cupped ears, missing ears, hearing loss is common ... only one of my ears is slightly bent) are CHARGE symptoms. I wouldn't say you have it based off just that but it sounds similar.



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03 Jun 2012, 8:48 pm

Other than a few weird birth marks...none. I have a few from birth, but I have this huge one on my right calf that my mother swears wasn't there when I was born but appeared during childhood. It's this large redish splat all down my calf that get bright when I get hot or active. It's odd looking.


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congenital spinal stenosis.


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04 Jun 2012, 4:14 am

The only physical problem I was born with was narrow sinus tubes and narrow ear tubes, which will cause issues with ears, nose and throat for the rest of my life. Well, I had to have my tonsils out when I was 5, and had countless operation on my ears to put gromits in.


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04 Jun 2012, 4:28 am

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could somebody with AS have a sudden seizure for no apparent reason? It worries me.


Not to worry you, but yes it happened to one of my brothers a few years ago in his mid 30's. I don't think he's a full aspie, but he has a few traits - it could happen to anyone not just an aspie. He was eating out with some friends and had a seizure at the table, no known cause and even though he was OK he now he has to take seizure meds just in case in order to keep driving.



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04 Jun 2012, 11:14 am

Joe90 wrote:
lostgirl1986 wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
I HATE these threads.

Is there any proof that any of these are all related to AS somehow, or does everyone on the spectrum really believe that all NTs are the most healthiest things on the planet? How come when I go in the doctors it's always full, and half the people aren't all old either?

I've got a big mole on my tummy, I might start associating it with AS and I will prove that by looking for moles on every NT in the world and if none of them have any big moles then it will be because of my AS.


I think the OP wants to see if there's any things we have in common for physical deformities. I think most of us know that most of these things aren't because of AS. I kind of find it interesting what we have in common and what we don't but I don't automatically assume it's because of AS.

I'd be more convinced if a lot of people had seizures or something that had to do with the brain. In my experience I've known a lot of people with AS and autism who get seizures.


That's what I've always been afraid of. I've never had a seizure before in my life, and I am not prone to fainting either, but I've always been (and still am now) afraid that I might have a sudden seizure out of the blue in public or when driving. It really scares me. My grandmother had a sudden seizure a few months ago, she's in her 70s and it was the first seizure she had ever had in her life, but she has Alzheimer's. So if somebody with Alzheimer's could have a sudden seizure for no apparent reason, could somebody with AS have a sudden seizure for no apparent reason? It worries me.
Alzheimer's is degenerative and terminal. AS is neither of those things.



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04 Jun 2012, 11:32 am

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That's what I've always been afraid of. I've never had a seizure before in my life, and I am not prone to fainting either, but I've always been (and still am now) afraid that I might have a sudden seizure out of the blue in public or when driving. It really scares me. My grandmother had a sudden seizure a few months ago, she's in her 70s and it was the first seizure she had ever had in her life, but she has Alzheimer's. So if somebody with Alzheimer's could have a sudden seizure for no apparent reason, could somebody with AS have a sudden seizure for no apparent reason? It worries me.

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Some people (including those who don't have AS) can have a seizure for no apparent reason. I remember my sister having one and dad developed epilepsy when he was 44



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04 Jun 2012, 11:36 am

The conjecture of the OP has already been proven, with results published in a 2008 paper ""Minor physical anomalies in autism: a meta-analysis".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_physical_anomalies