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12 Dec 2010, 8:48 pm

Yeah. My brain melted earlier, but that's an excellent description of what happened to me. I basically had been overstraining myself to think in a way that wasn't natural to me, and eventually my brain decided to pull me back towards how it best understands and responds to things. But it was hell until I figured out how to work with my brain and not against it.


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12 Dec 2010, 10:29 pm

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The whole concept of disability is based on the assumption that everybody has to be exactly the same, which they do not.


The concept of a disability has nothing to do with everyone being the same. If "the same" are what non-aspies are, then how is it that there are Olympic champions? Elite athletes occupy a place on the spectrum of abilities.

The concept of a disability is based on general abilities across the entire population. The general population is not blind and as such a blind person will not be able to compete on the same level in a world that is highly visual.

I really don't get the "I'm not disabled" mind set. Fine. If you're not disabled then prove it. Compete in the NT world and see how you do. The whole argument feels like a load of disingenuous sophistry, more about soothing egos than about trying to be your best. Maybe it happens when you get older, but haggling over such definitions is useless. Pragmatically, it does nothing for me. If you call it a disability does it change how my neurology works? If you call it neuro-diverse, am I suddenly free of some unnecessary burden? It is pointless splitting of hairs. I need to understand myself and adapt. Strictly speaking EVERYONE needs that. But NTs in a world dominated by NTs don't have to work as hard at adapting.

There is no aspie utopia and there never will be. Autism and all its variants will always belong to a minority - a small minority at that.

Does this mean we should sit in a corner and rock our lives away? Hell no.

Does it mean we should be too proud to accept help? Here's a clue. EVERYONE needs help. Bill Gates got help starting Microsoft. Stalin had help purging his millions. The question is what kind of help do you need and where will you get it, not if you need it and should accept it.


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13 Dec 2010, 8:31 am

wavefreak58 wrote:
There is no aspie utopia and there never will be. Autism and all its variants will always belong to a minority - a small minority at that.
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The question is what kind of help do you need and where will [or even whether] you get it, not [whether] you need it and should accept it.

Yes. The world is not going to change anything for us. We must fend for ourselves, together.


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13 Dec 2010, 9:20 am

leejosepho wrote:
We must fend for ourselves, together.


yes, together.
a bunch of aspies could make a helluva team working together for their mutual support. the golden rule in action.



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13 Dec 2010, 12:06 pm

auntblabby wrote:
leejosepho wrote:
We must fend for ourselves, together.


yes, together.
a bunch of aspies could make a helluva team working together for their mutual support. the golden rule in action.


I think it could be a lot of fun to work with the right group of aspies. But it would have some very interesting challenges to be met for it to be productive.


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13 Dec 2010, 5:46 pm

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The concept of a disability has nothing to do with everyone being the same. If "the same" are what non-aspies are, then how is it that there are Olympic champions? Elite athletes occupy a place on the spectrum of abilities.

The concept of a disability is based on general abilities across the entire population. The general population is not blind and as such a blind person will not be able to compete on the same level in a world that is highly visual.



I think that you are misunderstanding me, I know what I am thinking, but I am not sure how to best describe it.

I am not denying that some conditions may be a disadvantage based on the normal way of thinking. I am objecting to the tendency for people to reject and put to one side anyone who does not follow normality. This is not just related to disabilities, it effects almost everything. People with disability X are rejected, even though they may be superior in some other way. People who reject consumerism and peruse Minimalism are rejected by society.Environmentalists were rejected by society before there was hard evidence that we are destroying the planet, and governments got behind it.

Just because someone cannot do something in the normal way does not mean that they cannot do it at all.

wavefreak58 wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
leejosepho wrote:
We must fend for ourselves, together.


yes, together.
a bunch of aspies could make a helluva team working together for their mutual support. the golden rule in action.


I think it could be a lot of fun to work with the right group of aspies. But it would have some very interesting challenges to be met for it to be productive.


I say go for it. Challenges are just problems, problems can be solved, or at the very least worked around. Change requires action.



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13 Dec 2010, 6:05 pm

robh wrote:
I am objecting to the tendency for people to reject and put to one side anyone who does not follow normality.

Which is exactly what the disability movement etc is fighting against.

That's not what "mental disabilities don't exist" means, though. It's like saying skin color doesn't exist because people shouldn't be discriminated against based on their skin color.