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Have you ever been incredibly scared of death?
Yes 35%  35%  [ 36 ]
No 60%  60%  [ 62 ]
results, please :) 6%  6%  [ 6 ]
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11 Dec 2010, 8:09 pm

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I'm not going to argue it at length, but there are other ways to understand the world than a particular thing that gets called "reason" and another particular thing called "emotion" and "irrationality". Both my native way of thinking, and another way of thinking that I have learned, fall under that category. I know that you can argue linguistically that there's only "reason" (again, one particular way of thinking, or a collection of similar ways of thinking) and "irrationality". But that's just semantic. There are other valid ways of thinking that can come to conclusions that aren't even possible to imagine in the kinds of thought that get called "rational" the most often. And that's just me stating... well 'belief' is another linguistic concept I don't claim, but close enough.


Reason can be defined as a cognitive group of processes which deals with determination - determination of outcomes of events, determination of conclusions which can be drawn or not from experience. So far, reason has been shown to be the only process which is fit for determination. There are absolutely no other ways of thinking which are fit for evidence determination.

Conclusions which are made based on 'irrationality' are far less (I'm saying far less because humans have some instincts built in them which make them able to predict outcomes, such as presence of danger) reliable than the ones made through reasonable investigation.



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12 Dec 2010, 2:08 am

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I'm not going to argue it at length, but there are other ways to understand the world than a particular thing that gets called "reason" and another particular thing called "emotion" and "irrationality". Both my native way of thinking, and another way of thinking that I have learned, fall under that category. I know that you can argue linguistically that there's only "reason" (again, one particular way of thinking, or a collection of similar ways of thinking) and "irrationality". But that's just semantic. There are other valid ways of thinking that can come to conclusions that aren't even possible to imagine in the kinds of thought that get called "rational" the most often. And that's just me stating... well 'belief' is another linguistic concept I don't claim, but close enough.


Could you elaborate on alternatives? :D It sounds interesting.


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12 Dec 2010, 5:07 am

No. I have a long ways to go before my death. And it might happen so fast I won't even know I had just died. Unless I see myself floating in the air and I see my body and realize what had just happened. I do believe in ghosts but I have no idea if you still turn into one if you have no unfinished business. I wonder if everyone turns into ghosts when they die and souls are obviously real if ghosts exist.


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12 Dec 2010, 5:07 am

DandelionFireworks wrote:
anbuend wrote:
I'm not going to argue it at length, but there are other ways to understand the world than a particular thing that gets called "reason" and another particular thing called "emotion" and "irrationality". Both my native way of thinking, and another way of thinking that I have learned, fall under that category. I know that you can argue linguistically that there's only "reason" (again, one particular way of thinking, or a collection of similar ways of thinking) and "irrationality". But that's just semantic. There are other valid ways of thinking that can come to conclusions that aren't even possible to imagine in the kinds of thought that get called "rational" the most often. And that's just me stating... well 'belief' is another linguistic concept I don't claim, but close enough.


Could you elaborate on alternatives? :D It sounds interesting.


When one enters the zoo and hears animal scream, he/she feels threatened. He/she can make decisions only based on emotion and exit the zoo.
However, the person in question can also use simple process of reasoning, and judge, by the presence of cage and other methods of security, that the situation is not threatening.



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12 Dec 2010, 3:11 pm

anbuend wrote:
I'm not going to argue it at length, but there are other ways to understand the world than a particular thing that gets called "reason" and another particular thing called "emotion" and "irrationality". Both my native way of thinking, and another way of thinking that I have learned, fall under that category. I know that you can argue linguistically that there's only "reason" (again, one particular way of thinking, or a collection of similar ways of thinking) and "irrationality". But that's just semantic. There are other valid ways of thinking that can come to conclusions that aren't even possible to imagine in the kinds of thought that get called "rational" the most often. And that's just me stating... well 'belief' is another linguistic concept I don't claim, but close enough.

I think it was George Solti or one of the other pretty famous conductors who said, you must learn to feel with the head and think with the heart. To me, it's the benefit of right-brain type of thinking. For example, you take a medium step because it feels right, you get feedback maybe take yet another medium step because it feels right. Later on, you might be able to logically and analytically think why that was one of the higher probability actions but it's kind of like this kind of thinking always runs behind the curve.



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12 Dec 2010, 3:31 pm

Terrified. About every about it.



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12 Dec 2010, 5:16 pm

Never.



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12 Dec 2010, 5:21 pm

Since June 27th, I've been more welcoming of a natural death. Without my mum's love and support, I'm nothing.


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12 Dec 2010, 5:46 pm

Yes, It seems I have a different reason for this.
Because I think I tried SO SO SO hard to achieve some success and make true some of my basic dreams (which were decreasing over time) but I failed miserably.
What makes me upset is to face the lack of justice on me, and I know there's much more in this world.
To sum up, I fear the injustice that my death will close with a flourish.

I envy so much all of you that believe in life after death. I wish I had the same belief, seriously. I had it till my 20's.
I used to argue against religious people who think in life after death. I can't do it anymore just because I realized how confortable it is for all of you that believe in it and I'm jealous of that.
And in the end, maybe you're right, and I hope so :wink:


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12 Dec 2010, 5:50 pm

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12 Dec 2010, 5:53 pm

DandelionFireworks wrote:
I'm talking about a phobia. Not in a specific circumstance where death seemed likely (like an illness), but despite being healthy and probably young. And not just worried, but terrified of it to the extent that the mere mention of the word death is hugely upsetting?

If so, did you get over it? How? What age did you feel like this at?

NTs, please do NOT answer. I'm tempted to say it's okay to answer for a child, but then I recall shutting up and not mentioning this to my parents, so I don't think so. And I want to get an idea of what percent of the spectrum feels or felt this way.


I don't like death at all. I don't like hearing about it, talking about it, thinking about it. Whenever it comes up I just evade the subject unless it's about ghostly encounters. That's how I handle it. It's too much of a scary unknown for me to deal with effectively.



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12 Dec 2010, 6:05 pm

DandelionFireworks wrote:
anbuend wrote:
I'm not going to argue it at length, but there are other ways to understand the world than a particular thing that gets called "reason" and another particular thing called "emotion" and "irrationality". Both my native way of thinking, and another way of thinking that I have learned, fall under that category. I know that you can argue linguistically that there's only "reason" (again, one particular way of thinking, or a collection of similar ways of thinking) and "irrationality". But that's just semantic. There are other valid ways of thinking that can come to conclusions that aren't even possible to imagine in the kinds of thought that get called "rational" the most often. And that's just me stating... well 'belief' is another linguistic concept I don't claim, but close enough.


Could you elaborate on alternatives? :D It sounds interesting.


Unfortunately neither one of them fits into language-based frameworks one at all. One of them can be alluded to but not directly described, and the other one actively seems to break all descriptions aimed at it.

I'm not sure if I made clear (from the other response I got) that these don't really fit into any description of 'rational thought' I've ever heard, but nor do they fit into 'irrational'. They're just... something else. Not emotion either.


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12 Dec 2010, 6:07 pm

I'm not really afraid of what may or may not exist after death. I think if there is a benevolent supreme being, it won't punish me for questioning things that have never been proven. And if there is nothing but eternal rest after death, well that sounds great to me.
What I fear is dying too soon, or spending too much of my life being unhappy.



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12 Dec 2010, 8:53 pm

anbuend wrote:
DandelionFireworks wrote:
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I'm not going to argue it at length, but there are other ways to understand the world than a particular thing that gets called "reason" and another particular thing called "emotion" and "irrationality". Both my native way of thinking, and another way of thinking that I have learned, fall under that category. I know that you can argue linguistically that there's only "reason" (again, one particular way of thinking, or a collection of similar ways of thinking) and "irrationality". But that's just semantic. There are other valid ways of thinking that can come to conclusions that aren't even possible to imagine in the kinds of thought that get called "rational" the most often. And that's just me stating... well 'belief' is another linguistic concept I don't claim, but close enough.


Could you elaborate on alternatives? :D It sounds interesting.


Unfortunately neither one of them fits into language-based frameworks one at all. One of them can be alluded to but not directly described, and the other one actively seems to break all descriptions aimed at it.

I'm not sure if I made clear (from the other response I got) that these don't really fit into any description of 'rational thought' I've ever heard, but nor do they fit into 'irrational'. They're just... something else. Not emotion either.


Pattern-matching? Instinct? *sigh* Sorry. I'd love to understand. Guess that's not likely to happen any time soon.


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12 Dec 2010, 9:20 pm

I remember looking foward to death as young as age four and wishing I would die and even envying kids with terminal illnesses. Luckily I did not know the concept of sucide becuase I would have surely attempted it. I was a morbid child.


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12 Dec 2010, 11:02 pm

No, it's something (one of the few things) that we all have in common.