Some Theorize ADHD and AS are both on the ASD

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Is ADHD on the ASD?
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29 Jul 2007, 1:31 pm

No it's not. OR so i think. I have ADHD. it's not so bad. lol. it's actually cool, you have a hell load of energy.



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29 Jul 2007, 2:23 pm

not me.
i have ADD and usually have a very difficult time focusing my energy.
I feel frequently drained due to overstimulus.



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29 Jul 2007, 2:26 pm

poopylungstuffing wrote:
not me.
i have ADD and usually have a very difficult time focusing my energy.
I feel frequently drained due to overstimulus.


Same here. Anyone with loads of energy sounds more like bipolar disorder in a manic phase. :lol:



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29 Jul 2007, 2:56 pm

"Loads of energy" is a currency, it can be good or bad.

All of the ADD/ADHDers I have known IRL have been totally unfocused and big talkers. Big plans and no action, but they've got "loads of energy". They usually spent their time fidgeting, talking out and to themselves and getting really excited.
I did know a guy who could focus for hours and work really hard, but he couldn't control how he came across (he was rough). He was unreliable too.

I'm not making any declarations about all ADHD or generalizing, I'm just describing the ADHD people I've met in the past 15 years in two different places.



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29 Jul 2007, 3:15 pm

KimJ wrote:
"Loads of energy" is a currency, it can be good or bad.

All of the ADD/ADHDers I have known IRL have been totally unfocused and big talkers. Big plans and no action, but they've got "loads of energy". They usually spent their time fidgeting, talking out and to themselves and getting really excited.
I did know a guy who could focus for hours and work really hard, but he couldn't control how he came across (he was rough). He was unreliable too.

I'm not making any declarations about all ADHD or generalizing, I'm just describing the ADHD people I've met in the past 15 years in two different places.



I remember you told their story here:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/modules.php? ... dhd#734755



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14 Sep 2010, 8:22 am

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I have been reading a theory that suggests the two are related as they have many common traits.

Suppose it is true. Let us then hypothesize that ADHD/ADD is at the bottom rung of the ASD. That is it causes the least amount of severity of impairment in the Social, Behavioral, and communication. Suppose that HFA/AS is in the middle and LFA or Kanner's is at the top. That would not mean that someone with both AS and ADHD was somewhere between the two, as it is possible to still have impairments or effects of impairments in the higher range of the AS part of the disorder.

PDD-Nos would probably range throughout as it has no specifics.

Could this be a viable theory? Both ADHD and AS have issue with sensory stimuli, attention, reaction to change, impulsiveness, motor skills, and there similiarities in the checklists. Maybe some of the other co-morbid or similar conditions simply be classified as inherent or learned social impairments.


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Both ADHD and AS share the common denominator that they involve the brain.

Classic ADHD is a little different than AS since there is a lot of evidence that the right central nervous system stimulant can temporarily reduce ADHD symptoms (not a cure) vs AS where the same medicine - a central nervous system stimulant - does nothing.

ADHD

Inattention
Alertness
Consciousness

Distractibility
Short Attention Span

Working Memory/Short-term Memory
Auditory Processing

http://www.ericdigests.org/2003-5/auditory.htm

Hyperactivity (Hyperkinesis)
Normal Activity (Normal kinesis)
Hypoactivity (Hypokinesis)

Gross and Fine Motor Control Challenges (Dyspraxia)
Body Balance (Dyspraxia)

Impulsivity

and so on

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http://www.out-of-sync-child.com/

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Inattention

Petit mal/absence/complex partial/TLE, etc.

http://www.nidcd.nih.gov/health/voice/auditory.html
http://kidshealth.org/parent/medical/ea ... itory.html

http://www.neurologychannel.com/



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14 Sep 2010, 9:33 am

There are definitely similarities but it depends very much on the person and type of ADHD. Some cases overlap with AS or other ASDs to a huge degree while others, not so much.

I think it also has something to do with which part of the brain a person tends to use more. Some people say that most of those with ADHD are very brain-dominant people and that Aspies are left-brainers, so they can seem like very different disorders even though they can have so many similarities.

This is all just speculation though, and not fact. I see more and more theories here stating otherwise and evidence that many Aspies who are right brain dominant fly under the radar because they may present traits and behaviors that seem more like ADHD but in fact fit all of the criteria for AS.

If someone with ADHD is left brain dominant they may think more like an Aspie but may still have enough traits of ADHD to fit that label more precisely, or fit both an ADHD and AS diagnosis. It depends very much on the person, I think that this is my situation, I always score as left brain-dominant on all tests but I appear more like a right-brain dominant person for whatever reason. I'm not necessarily all that creative, I just have a lot of ideas, and present behaviors that look more like ADHD most of the time.

I think there's a gray area that really doesn't fit any of the labels entirely.



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14 Sep 2010, 10:19 am

I don't know what I have exactly, the more I study, the more I confuse myself, but my problems seem to fall into two categories, mood disorder/schizophrenia type symptoms and ADHD/Asperger's type symptoms.

I take meds for the first group of symptoms (mood/psychosis) and they work fine, but when I study the DSM for the disorders in that group, they don't fit very well for any one disorder.

But with those meds, the mood/psychosis symptoms mostly go away, but the ADHD/Asperger's symptoms remain. And looking at the DSM, I might not quite fit either one. I can read facial expressions better than an aspie and I can focus better than an ADDer, but I have serious social, organization, hyperfocus/obsession, etc problems.

I'm not saying ADHD and Asperger's are the same, it's just that I have a confusing set of symptoms.


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