Why Do So Many Desire An Aspergers Diagnosis?

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03 Apr 2011, 7:37 am

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becuase people need servies? why would some one want servies that do not help them. this does not make sence. you are not making sence.

It makes perfect sense. This individual probably wants special treatment or possibly even mental disability checks so they don't have to work. It is quite obvious at this point that they are so dead set on getting diagnosed because they can get services and special accommodations.


Of course. And we want YOUR taxes to enable it. Pony up, fat boy.


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03 Apr 2011, 11:26 am

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The thing is I know I am not able to work. If I did get a job I would be so inexperienced for it not to mention trying to adjust to such dramatic change in my routine. But still I try because it gives me some confidence for maybe a week and a bit.

Maybe I'm not getting through to people here. Oh well, I'm going to stop trying.


I meant the difficulty in getting people to look at my resumes or consider me past an interview - that is what I was saying I also deal with. I was trying to say I understand I am able to hold a job longer, if I am willing to deal with the increasing difficulty of holding that job until I lose it because I make too many mistakes or I lose it because I hit a point where I burn out on the job, and then years to actually find another job.



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03 Apr 2011, 12:02 pm

For me, it's a combo of piece of mind and I hate to admit wanting to fit in somewhere. Now I'm bipolar and I can share stuff with other bipolar people I have found in this town, but none of them study obsessively anything.

I am already getting services for schizoaffective (schizophrenia and a mood disorder) but not much help adapting to regular society.

Plus I will admit I'm obsessed with Asperger's. The docs want me to stop that. I've had therapist tell me they feel I have AS, but it's not worth me getting a diagnosis because I'm already getting help. The psychiatrists say that my schizo spectrum disorder is causing some AS-like traits. Plus the schizo spectrum disorder when not under control is hurting my life more. Most people that see me on meds think I'm eccentric basically and serious all the time.

Aspie Quiz, AQ and everything else says I'm on the edge of mild AS and an NT with AS traits.

If I was a kid now, I think I would have gotten the diagnosis, I have my childhood psych records even, though back then it was counted as ADHD in the 90's.


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03 Apr 2011, 1:54 pm

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Actually, I don't desire an Asperger's Diagnosis (it's one of the main reasons why I haven't gone - and don't intend to - to a doctor yet). The damn thing is incurable and has no advantages at all. Unfortunately, it seems to be the best way to explain how my mind works.



I don't agree with this. There are advantages in many cases. My son for instance is so intelligent. I view his aspergers as a trade off. He may have to work hard to associate with his peers but he is also so much smarter than they are. This is the way I have taught him to address his aspergers. You can't allow yourself to feel like you are less than the "average" kids. You are different and you are gifted. You just have to figure out what those gifts are and focus on them. In the future that is what is going to give you a fulfilling life. Please remember you are worth the effort and you are entitled to be happy as much as anyone else. As far as looking for a diagnosis it is unfortunate that many doctors are ill equipped to diagnosis much less treat the aspergers child. I work in the mental health field and see this all the time. You keep looking until the answers make sense. You know what they call a doctor that graduates last in his class...... "doctor"



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03 Apr 2011, 2:31 pm

I think in many cases, a psychiatric diagnosis of any type holds a lot of explanatory power for previously inexplicable life events and ongoing social difficulties. Or at least such was the case for me. However, unlike the archetypal person 'trying' to be diagnosed with aspergers, I'm trying to "rule out" the many different possible diagnoses through a process of deduction to finally converge on the "correct set of answers", however simplistic and incomprehensive my analysis may be. It also gives me something to do and is pretty fun.



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03 Apr 2011, 2:49 pm

People may desire a Dx for many reasons, personally I'd just like to know for my own needs, seem as I already doubt that I am a "normal" person, knowing for definite would at least give me a better knowledge of the steps i could take to better myself, or at least make life a bit easier.

And then there's the ability to talk with others on here, without hurting the aspergers community by giving incorrect information out, based on your own self diagnosis.

As for suggesting that it would be to get financial aid, I realise there are alot of shrewd people out there, but this would seem a bit extreme, given the amount of knowledge you would have to acquire to mimic the symptoms, and the amount of time you'd have to spend training yourself to do them naturally, it's very unlikely that somebody who is just lazy would succeed in this endeavour.



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03 Apr 2011, 3:24 pm

wavefreak58 wrote:
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becuase people need servies? why would some one want servies that do not help them. this does not make sence. you are not making sence.

It makes perfect sense. This individual probably wants special treatment or possibly even mental disability checks so they don't have to work. It is quite obvious at this point that they are so dead set on getting diagnosed because they can get services and special accommodations.


Of course. And we want YOUR taxes to enable it. Pony up, fat boy.


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I <3 how this thread turned from TROLL'N to actual great reads (yours not excluded Wavefreak) Thanks to all who are contributing despite the troll attempts to make you feel lessor for your feelings. I received my DX quite by surprise and accident during grief therapy. After that session I wanted nothing more than to disprove it for weeks on end. I went into my weekly grief therapy sessions trying very hard to argue and "act" my way out of the "label . Shrink would not give in and neither would the test results. Months of anger, resentment and denial pursued until today where I am not only starting to accept it but starting to understand how this lable has actually empowered me. I now am no longer a "victim" to incidents where I piss people off because I realize that they do have legitamate feelings. With this knowledge I can bend more easily to trying to give them a break and also to see where I can improve. My workplace skills are also improving due to this "knowledge". Finally and most importantly is I am being exposed to a group of people I would never have considered associating with before. This not only makes me a better person but will also help to make the world a better place. As my understanding and knowledge in this area grows so will my dedication to these people So even though I did not seek it, I am grateful it found me.



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03 Apr 2011, 3:24 pm

I can't speak for everyone here, only myself. I do not have an official AS diagnosis, and I am not seeking one. I privately identify as AS, because it's been frustrating for me spending my whole life struggling with a wide range of skills that seem to come easily to everyone else, never fitting in anywhere, never managing to earn anyone's respect ever, always regarded as an ineffectual lightweight in need of more assistance than other people. It has not been pleasant for me to live like that, wondering why I always seem to come off as strange, "different," awkward, and less effective in everything I do than other people. I've always wondered why I'm so strange, why I develop intense obsessions with various topic, why I have these strange sensitivities, why I'm so uncoordinated and physically awkward, etc, etc, etc.
When one spends one's whole whole life being the odd one out, struggling a great deal in every area of one's life, and none of the labels one was given from childhood onwards adequately explains all of these "quirks" and difficulties, I think it's natural to want to know why one is like this, natural to want answers. That has been my experience in any case.
I'm not seeking an official diagnosis, as I don't see what that would achieve for me at this stage of my life. I'm pretty much a "closet case," describing my aspie suspicians with very few people. For the most part, I do my utmost to "pass" for normal, though I frequently fail at this.
In other words, my self-identification aspie primarily serves as a frame of reference from which I can make some degree of sense of the varioius struggles I've been dealing with my entire life.
As I said earlier, I can't speak for anyone else here. However, I would speculate that if one has spent years living a life where he/ she has always been an outcast, if nothing comes easily, ever, and he/ she is living with various strange interests and deficits, no one else can relate to, it stands to reason that he/ she would want to know why.
I should stop now. Things have been crazy in my life recently, and I'm too exhausted to express my thoughts coherently right now. If anyone is able to make any sense out of this, you are truly a miracle worker.


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03 Apr 2011, 4:59 pm

I have never had a diagnosis, though the two psychologists I've seen were definitely in agreement that I have AS. I know I have AS. I knew very early on that I was different, I knew I had a lot of social difficulty, a lot of anxiety, I obsessed about my special interests, I collected things like wooden door stops and radiator vents. I hate change, I hate loud noise, among other things. It was the whole picture. I read a book called "The Asperger's Answer Book - Top 275 Questions Parents Ask", and after reading it I was floored at just how much it described me as a child, to a T! I could not believe that. Others on WP have expressed the same difficulties I go through, even watching the videos, I'm so amazed at how many people on this forum are just like me. I can relate to people on WP more than I could people in real life. I'm 100% convinced I have AS.

When I first realized I had AS, I was certain about it, but just wanted a "professional" to tell me, just to give me closure and the off chance I had been wrong. Now I'm so sure of it, I challenge anyone to say otherwise. I love myself, I love who I am, and I consider AS a gift, and I'm very blessed to be this way.



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03 Apr 2011, 7:24 pm

Anyone notice the troll can't tell the difference between wanting to be diagnosed and wanting to have the condition?


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03 Apr 2011, 8:54 pm

it's because you read one thread.



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03 Apr 2011, 9:01 pm

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Anyone notice the troll can't tell the difference between wanting to be diagnosed and wanting to have the condition?


Yeah, I thought that was kind of interesting.



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03 Apr 2011, 9:30 pm

I never in a million years would have thought that I was autistic...until I started doing research on it to prove that is what my nephew had. What I ended up realizing is that that was me entirely (though I still think he has it too). Anyway, why did I want an official diagnosis?

As a child and onward I spent my entire life ostracized for being who I was. I was unable to communicate and socialize with others properly and I spent my life with no or few friends. Those friends I did have never lasted long because they didn't know how to deal with someone with autism and I didn't know how to act in a way that would keep them wanting to be my friend. It wasn't when I was really young that I thought this because then I thought I was perfectly normal. It was because all of the so-called "normal" kids kept pointing out my differences to me on a continuous basis, for more than a decade. School was sometimes hell for me. So a diagnosis gives me a true reason of why I was different. It is not just because I am some demon creation that repels everything in its path. Giving me the label gives me a place in the world.



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03 Apr 2011, 11:24 pm

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I've only be on this forum for a day and I am shocked by the amount of people that self diagnose and straight appear to desire having Aspergers. Why is that? Others that do seek a professional opinion end up saying things like "my doctor is an idiot" or "my doctor isn't experienced enough". I even saw a person suggest that an individual see new doctors until they find one that will agree with them.


It's not a case of desiring Aspergers it's needing the justification of a concrete diagnosis for something you know you have to struggle through life with without the added burden of not being believed, pushed from doctor to doctor, never getting anywhere near a diagnosis of how you feel and not being able to be true to yourself because of it.

Imagine if it was cancer. Would you just accept that and carry on till you dropped? Of course you wouldn't. So why should those of us who wish to have a solid and proper diagnosis feel otherwise?

As you said you've only been on this forum for a day so I'd suggest you hang around a bit longer and see exactly how important this is to some of us and how constant negativity in our beliefs about ourselves affects our general lives. You might learn something, if only not to make instant judgements on something you haven't any experience of.


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04 Apr 2011, 1:22 am

It would validate my suspicions.

If you had severe, persistent pain in your abdomen would you get it checked out? or would you just ignore it? it might be nothing, or it might be stomach cancer. but you won't know unless you get it checked out, and once you do confirm what it is, you can start treating it.

Also, a official diagnosis opens up certain services depending on where you live, it also gives you protection under the 'Americans with disability's act' (if you are in the US) which helps prevent workplace discrimination. and if you can't work it makes you eligible for disability.


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04 Apr 2011, 4:24 am

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I don't have Asperger's I have autism but I do understand why people seek a diagnoses of AS.
They do it for piece of mind. They want to desperately know why they are so odd and knowing that they have AS and are diagnosed makes them feel ok about themselves. They may even suffer from less anxiety and depression once they know.
Now I am critical about mild AS and people that get professionally diagnosed with it. If it is mild there is no need to get diagnosed. I don't mind if they remain self diagnosed.

I need to be on special services because I am not able to work. I want to work. I could tear my hair out about having my resume constantly overlooked and tossed aside because of my poor social skills. I've been unemployed for so long being on disability feels like a death sentence. I also can't live independently.

My friend, Verdandi, whom I think you insulted, is actually very affected by their symptoms and really needs to be diagnosed with AS. I have read their many posts and spent many nights sending and reading PM's to know that they are very affected by their symptoms.
I hope you don't mind me saying that, Verdandi.

I still think AS is overdiagnosed and I'm happy to see the merge in 2013 which will see the autistic spectrum turn into autistic disorder because I feel that will lessen the self diagnoses, because saying you have AS sounds much better than saying you have autism, right?



I have mild AS and needed the diagnoses to get me through school and get the education I needed. So mild aspies are also impaired by it too but not as much as real aspies. God I hate functioning labels sometimes because I have noticed there is ignorance about mild AS. Lot of people seem to assume they don't have any problems and should have no issues at all in getting a job or issues with school and education or issues with social situations or relationships and it just ticks me off. I also feel that is why I may have gotten crap here, because of my mild AS so they expected more out of me? Is that why some aspies would expect me to have NT gifts? I remember one aspie telling me in 2007 he is more aspie than me so I should have not taken his question literal and I remember how much that upset me then. Now he claims to be less aspie than me.

And I have struggled getting a job too because no one would hire me. Maybe it was because I didn't have the experience or not enough so I blamed it on that. Then I blamed it on the economy but come on, if it was the economy then these hotels wouldn't be hiring and not one called me for an interview. So I always figured they found someone with more experience than me. I used my AS diagnoses to get a job by going to this company that is for people with disabilities. I don't know if my other labels would have worked but this one did. It has also gotten me on social security in the past because my anxiety was worse then and I was inflexible back then too so that would have effected me on the job. My life may have been harder too without the diagnoses but I felt it has made it easier. I have thought about getting rid of the diagnoses but decided I better keep it so I can keep getting help in life or have an explanation for my problems or be protected by the American Disabilities Act.

God stupid functioning labels. Someone can have mild AS and have symptom that are worse than others.


A diagnosis may be important in school but an an adult I don't think so. There are other ways to get through your issues.
It's my opinion and right now I really don't care how one interprets it. My autism is disabling to me so one should be able to understand why I feel the way I do about AS.


I do have a solution for you Pensieve, well you say that your autism is disabling you to do the things that you want to do about how you can't do this and can't do that. Just think about the things you CAN do and keep on trying to enjoy life, even though you will find it hard yourself but once you get hold of yourself.

Think of 10 things you find positive about yourself and your life and that be cool and keep doing that and build yourself up.

I refuse to think about the things that I can't do and focus on more on my strong points, makes you feel more better about yourself I suppose.

Sounds unrelated but it helps.


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