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10 Apr 2011, 12:02 am

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I want the affection and reciprocated desire from a woman, and I consider losing my v card to be a significant social milestone. It's taken me years to learn the proper social behaviors for attracting and romancing a woman.

I've seen patterns like that since I was a young child. I've tried Salvia once....it was terrifying. Aside from that I've only smoked weed.

What's the probability that I'm just a "gifted" NT with so many detriments, many of which are related to Asperger's? :roll: I doubt it's much higher than the probability that I'm an Aspie with a couple "highly gifted NT" gifts. Why can I relate to every post I've read here? My mind clearly works in much the same way, so what difference does it make? Do you really think I'm closer to being an NT than an Aspie? Doubtful!

And "gifted"! What a stupid label! "Oh, it's not Asperger's, he's just gifted. Yes, he thinks like an Aspie and has many of the same behaviors, including the negative ones, but he's perfectly normal."

Most if not all of the Dabrowski's characteristics I exhibit can be present in Asperger's. Not all Aspies are creative, but many are. Two or three other Aspies here enjoy going to clubs and parties because like myself, they've found workarounds and ways to cope with social anxiety. Some Aspies get intense sensory overload, others get none; I get comparatively very little. There was another Aspie at my school who still hasn't achieved any level of normality, and he talked by quickly rambling or struggling to get the words out, and he loved debating and proving people wrong. "That's a cool bug!" "ACTUALLY it's an insect...(rambling)" There's not a chance he was just gifted!

With therapy or practice, anyone can strengthen the connections between parts of the brain that were weakened at birth. Maybe not entirely; I can't recognize or understand many social behaviors, but if I can identify one, with enough practice it basically becomes instinctive.

There's nothing anyone claiming to have Asperger's has mentioned that I cannot relate to, so if I'm an NT...well, I can relate to more than just being bullied or enjoying computers!


Dude, I can just "tell", okay? I'm undoubtedly neurotypical and I've hung around these parts long enough to confidently state that the "It takes one to know one" rule works in this particular case. I mean, I can tell you intrinsically possess emotional excitability and sensitivity just from the fact you're using exclamation points to make excited statements and sarcastic comments (And I can "sense" the emotional undercurrents behind what you're writing; if one were to graph emotional intensity on a graph with the x-axis representing time, I'd say your emotional amplitude is far more typical of NTs than aspies.). That's just far more typical (and far more likely to come from) of aspie-like nerdy NTs than highly intelligent aspies-who-really-aren't-that-aspie.

(Of course, if aspie-ness is a spectrum, than "very mild aspergers" would probably be functionally equivalent to "aspie-like nerdiness", so your assertion of your "aspie-ness" is probably just the same as my assertion of being an 'aspie-like' NT.)



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10 Apr 2011, 3:38 am

I just assumed you had AS. You don't?? I assumed you knew what you were talking about because you had it! Well then what do you know about me? Do YOU have as many symptoms as I do yet consider yourself neurotypical? I've seen a couple of your posts and you appear to have some of them, but apparently you doubt you have it. I have a hard time expressing emotions facially and verbally, but I still experience most emotions.

But online? Give me a break! You think people with AS don't have emotions? I don't EXPRESS CERTAIN emotions verbally and facially at the correct times, and certain emotions don't transfer from other people to me. My dad can shout at me for a half hour and it just looks silly to me; I just say "We're inside, why are you shouting? Lower your voice and discuss this logically." My mom starts crying about the divorce; it looks silly, even though I'd probably do the same thing myself. I don't feel empathy. I smile, dart my eyes from face to face, and move my eyebrows around during a conversation, because I choose to. I don't do it around my dad, but I put on a nice little facial/body language act for a pretty girl.

I think you're confusing my somewhat NT-like method of writing/speaking with actual NT social skills. Don't discredit the fact that becoming socially normal is an obsession for me. You think that in all of my years of reading books, Zelda games, message board posts...I somehow became great with every aspect of the English language yet failed to find the utility in using exclamation points?

I've ALWAYS conveyed emotion online. The first girl I got anywhere at all with--we talked online every day and it was winky smileys and ! !!s galore. Then I'd see her in school and find myself unable to convey any sort of emotion.

I'm sorry, I assumed you were some sort of expert. But apparently you make threads like this: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp3527475 ... t=#3527475
What have you done since you posted that thread? I'll tell you what I did. I spent the last 3 days researching Asperger's to determine how many areas of my life it affects. In addition to already having been diagnosed. You don't see the differences between you and me? Uh, you decided to ask another human being about something before googling it.

Case closed! If you're going to doubt I have Asperger's, make sure you ACTUALLY HAVE ASPERGER'S. Duh! Why would anyone who doesn't have it assume to know what it's like to have it? I'm guessing it happens often though.

League_Girl: I feel like it does break me from having AS in many ways. I used to have no idea how to have a conversation with someone, but we certainly have the ability to. On that Ingenious Minds show they featured a savant who performed social skills with the logical part of his brain, but with therapy, he was able to start using the correct part of his brain for social skills. I feel like we're probably much the same way. I learn behaviors by careful observation and analysis, apply them synthetically (it feels like acting), and then eventually they become partially instinctive. I never used to gesture when I spoke, but now I do sometimes if I'm explaining something. Mostly because I choose to, but partially because I'm compelled to.



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10 Apr 2011, 4:09 am

Yeah, I was being sarcastic. But since I was being sarcastic I guess that makes me unAS. I get so sick of people going around undiagnosing or saying someone doesn't have it because they did something lot of aspies wouldn't normally do like going to parties or concerts. Then by their logic, that means John Robinson (the guy you spoke about from that show) doesn't have it nor my two online friends. One of them just told me he goes to parties just as long as there is beer. He loves his beer. Well I went to dances because I liked the music they played and I just walked around and sat out and heard the music since it hurt my ears. I only danced with someone when I was asked to or invited to. Yep we all cured ourselves. More sarcasm right there about curing and even more, anyone who goes to the autism groups here is all cured because they are socializing and doing eye contact and hey they went out. See how stupid this all is?


But the more you speak the more aspie you sound. I was even talking to one of my other aspie friends who is "mild" but he has impairments and is effected by them. In some ways he sounds more AS than me and in some ways I sound more AS than him. It's like each aspie comes with their own package meaning each aspie has their own symptoms and are affected differently by it.

And I have always done a better job writing about my feelings than expressing them with my mouth. It's rare when my mind decides to work right and I am finally expressing them well with my mouth. Pregnancy made me express them better and so did the miscarriage. It drove my husband crazy because he wasn't used to it. He was used to the old me not showing them well. I say they both made me more NT but I really upset him when I joked about how I should have more miscarriages. Sometimes my sense of humor hurts. My dad has the same issue too except he doesn't have AS and my social skills are better than his only because I learned them and he didn't.



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10 Apr 2011, 4:55 am

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Yep we all cured ourselves. More sarcasm right there about curing and even more, anyone who goes to the autism groups here is all cured because they are socializing and doing eye contact and hey they went out. See how stupid this all is?

To some extent, yes, but I...

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It's rare when my mind decides to work right and I am finally expressing them well with my mouth.

Yes! That's it. That's what I feel like I've been getting better at doing over time.

Eye contact now is 50% "acting" and 50% instinct for example. You can't join a fraternity and have a friend who designates our apartment as "the hangout" without constantly interacting with people and getting more comfortable socially, and invariably that part of my brain gets a little bit of exercise. :) I was always ashamed of my social skills, but I'm proud of them now that I've accepted my diagnosis after ignoring it for so many years. I don't think I want certain behaviors to become 100% instinctive because I like having control over them.

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It's like each aspie comes with their own package meaning each aspie has their own symptoms and are affected differently by it.

It's kind of awesome; we're literally mutants like X-Men. Except when X-Men don't fit in, it's because they can cause you to disintegrate by pointing at you, not because they're obsessed with plants and only leave the house to study them.

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My dad has the same issue too except he doesn't have AS and my social skills are better than his only because I learned them and he didn't.

That's the best part. I can immediately recognize and point out socially inappropriate, insecure, or just plain "not ideal" behaviors in my friends now. Not that I generally do. Many NTs are worse than me socially in many areas and they'll forever remain half-oblivious. I can meet someone in the right environment and that person will think I'm awesome. But throw me into an unfamiliar social situation and just watch me struggle. :lol:



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10 Apr 2011, 5:00 am

I like going to parties if there's going to be good food. I don't go to parties if I hear they only have drinks and appetizers. I love going out if it's for dining. :D I'm just a big time foodie. I also like to go to parks, beaches, the open outdoors with my family. So I'm not sure if I like to go "out" or not. I like going out for food, shopping, fun or exercises. I don't like to go out to socialize, socializing is not fun. My DH's extended family frequently have get-togethers and sit there, in chairs and chat, like all day. It's like listening to sermons. I usually wander off to read, play piano or do some activities. I don't understand why a bit of conversation during dinner and tea would not be enough. Everyone is so up-to-date with their news nowadays with email, blogs and online networks, it's not like there's still any news left to talk in person. :D



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10 Apr 2011, 9:30 am

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I just assumed you had AS. You don't?? I assumed you knew what you were talking about because you had it! Well then what do you know about me? Do YOU have as many symptoms as I do yet consider yourself neurotypical? I've seen a couple of your posts and you appear to have some of them, but apparently you doubt you have it. I have a hard time expressing emotions facially and verbally, but I still experience most emotions.


Actually, I have *more* symptoms than you, but I know I'm neurotypical as I have no problem expressing emotion and I get along with a few neurotypicals at the "emotional level" - sure, within various contexts, social anxiety, a lack of intrinsic interest in the other person or just plain lack of practice may appear to reduce my expressivity in various social contexts, but that doesn't mean I'm greatly impaired in that ability (Though I'm undoubtedly 'somewhat impaired'). There's a difference between "ability" and "what-someone-will-do-in-real-life-because-they-are-shy-or-inhibited".

Also, the emotional content embedded in your writing goes beyond emoticons. It's the way the sentences are produced, the particular words you choose and your use of punctuation. For example, the difference between "Nazi Germany killed over 3,000,000 jews." and "Can you believe it?! The horrible Nazis in germany slaughtered over 3,000,000 jews! Those barbarians!" is the second sentence has substantially greater emotional amplitude than the first, and the emotional excitability would be more typical of neurotypicals. And, it's not only that, it's the nuance and the type of statements you're making. They all seem to be pretty much... neurotypical to me, something I would expect some wise-ass geek from school to make.

So, if you're more neurotypical than me and I'm neurotypical, that makes you...?

That's right, Aspie! Why didn't I think of that?



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10 Apr 2011, 10:11 am

I recently joined a sports team.

I've slowly begun aquiring "friends."

I've been working on anxiety and sensory issues, so I've been trying to mingle with people and "go out (not to parties, but I do enjoy hiking)."

Guess that means I'm not Aspie any more! :wink: Not! I'm still an Aspie, it just happens I have a decent personality that some people actually enjoy buried under my nerd-ism. You could be "sensory seeking" as opposed to "sensory defensive." It does happen. In any case, you can be like a spy and report back to the Aspie Mother Nest on what NTs do when they're clumped together like they always are.


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10 Apr 2011, 10:16 am

For financial reasons, not every weekend. And, since I quit my job a few days ago, I'll refrain from going out this month (but I'm participating in two/three opportunities right now, and at least one of them seems pretty much guaranteed). But yeah, I love going out.



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10 Apr 2011, 1:52 pm

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-Intensely focused on a couple of interests--music, videogames, cannabis
-Internet addiction--I spend at least 4 hours a day online

If you started to poll 19 year old guys about what are their hobbies, I would almost bet that music, video games, internet, substance abuse (alcohol, cannabis, whatever) all would be at least in the top 5, if they wouldn't fill the top 4. :wink:

All of those are typical NT obsessions or addictions too. Did your parents take you out of college because too much time was spent on those? If it was so, be careful that you don't give yourself free pass just because you think those are just special interests and you can't do anything to them.



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10 Apr 2011, 2:19 pm

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10 Apr 2011, 2:51 pm

Having read the whole thread I think it seems more likely that the OP has Narcissistic personality disorder than AS. It isn't just the party thing - I know some very social Aspies (who however could never pass for NTs), it is more the way he is expressing everything and the obvious stimulation that he is getting from the social interactions. The reason I think this, is because I once had a friend who I think has NPD and there are some things that seem familar in particular:

- Trying to appear to be similar to the target group/person. My 'friend' would often say how similar she was to me, how she didn't feel part of the group we worked in together (like me) and how unhappy she was (like me) - sometimes 'reading' my emotions in a way noone else has been able to to get to things inside me. But she didn't act like this when with the others. It confused me at the time but I understand why now - so that she could manipulate me more easily to do the things she wanted me to do. Everytime someone in this thread describes something they do or feel the OP comes back with a similar story.

- Appearing superior to the target group/person. So my friend would say that she found it hard to deal with people but that she had learnt to do it. It was a way of putting me down - i.e. I couldn't learn and therefore was defective in comparison to her. By saying he has managed to overcome his AS, the OP is effectively giving the suggestion that those of us that cannot do this are just not trying hard enough.

- Always wanting to talk about oneself. The OP has admitted this one. My friend was constantly doing this and complaining about other people all the time.

- And related to that, not really caring about other people, although can appear to be if required. Again the OP has said that he doesn't really care about what other people are saying or feeling. This is more sociopathic than Aspie - we generally care but either don't notice, or if we do notice we don't know how to express empathy. My friend gave every impression of caring about me until suddenly she got bored and found someone else who was more interesting - typically just at a point when I needed her and had asked for her help.

- Always wanting to meet new people for more stimulation. Also to make new friends as they tend to get bored of people after a while, or end up losing friends who realise they are being manipulated.

- Lying in order to manipulate people. This sort of covers many of the points above (e.g. lying that they are similar to you, or lying that they care about you). Don't think Aspies can do this particularly well and are often morally extremely opposed to it.

People with NPD usually refuse to believe they have it, and as it stems from something in their childhood it isn't really their fault any more than being AS is. I read up quite a bit on it since realising that it may explain how my friend acted towards me - something that I had spent over 3 years going over and over in my head trying to work out why she had done what she did. Now I have my explanation and it has also given me a strong awareness that when other people display these characteristics it is best to stay away from them however charming and sympathetic they may appear.

I apologise to the OP for pointing these things out. I rarely take against people I have only just met (or never met), but I can't forgive what one person with NPD did to me and will do anything to stop others with it getting what they want.



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10 Apr 2011, 3:01 pm

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-Social anxiety, lack of social intuition
-Spring allergies, cat allergies
-Intensely focused on a couple of interests--music, videogames, cannabis
-Internet addiction--I spend at least 4 hours a day online
-Love of trivia
-Impulsiveness
-Predisposition to enjoy certain things, like music, science, and computers
-Advanced vocabulary at a young age
-Tendency to ignore or forget about hunger
-Frequent insomnia
-Seeing patterns everywhere. When I'm on the toilet I look at the floor tiles or the grain of the wood in the door and see all kinds of faces and creatures, when I look at a symmetrical pattern I organize it into sub-patterns
-Difficult time conveying and understanding sarcasm
-Being clumsy--this improved over time; I was always last to be picked in gym class until about junior year
-Overly formal style of speech
-Tendency to focus on one conversation topic or jump around to many
-Tendency to self-medicate
-Sensitivity to cold
-Sensitivity to light--I can't sleep without pitch darkness, and I always blink for photos
-Compulsive tick-like body movements aka "stimming." I used to have several, including making loud trumpet noises in the middle of first grade class, now the only noticeable one is twitching my cheeks occasionally. I also chatter my teeth in patterns. They come and go.
-ADHD
-Depression, had that numerous times
-Low self-confidence
-Difficulty multitasking
-Difficulty with sequences of events
-Visual learner
-Being too naive and trusting of people, realizing this and becoming overly suspicious
-Being too generous with belongings; I'd bring gum on the bus, everyone would ask for a piece and I'd give it all away
-Lack of fashion sense--I wore sweat pants exclusively until 5th grade, wore old navy clothes exclusively until 8th grade
-Self-centeredness
-Telling stories with no point or conclusion
-Bad short-term memory
-Distinct posture and gait
-Speaking in monotone with few facial expressions (though I don't always do that, if I'm in a certain mood I find it very difficult to express emotions, and I'm often in that mood)
-Inability to empathize with people; I can't literally be saddened by someone else's suffering
-Younger appearance (like many things on this list, due to a combination of factors not exclusive to AS)
-Being inflexible
-Dislike of change
-Tendency to become infatuated with girls easily


Not all of these are necessarily aspie traits.



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10 Apr 2011, 3:56 pm

Depends where I'm going out to. Thinks like parties and clubs I hate, due to me SA and also most of the kinds of people I hate are usually there.

I do enjoy going to the movies alone though,



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10 Apr 2011, 11:39 pm

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I want the affection and reciprocated desire from a woman, and I consider losing my v card to be a significant social milestone. It's taken me years to learn the proper social behaviors for attracting and romancing a woman.

I've seen patterns like that since I was a young child. I've tried Salvia once....it was terrifying. Aside from that I've only smoked weed.

What's the probability that I'm just a "gifted" NT with so many detriments, many of which are related to Asperger's? :roll: I doubt it's much higher than the probability that I'm an Aspie with a couple "highly gifted NT" gifts. Why can I relate to every post I've read here? My mind clearly works in much the same way, so what difference does it make? Do you really think I'm closer to being an NT than an Aspie? Doubtful!

And "gifted"! What a stupid label! "Oh, it's not Asperger's, he's just gifted. Yes, he thinks like an Aspie and has many of the same behaviors, including the negative ones, but he's perfectly normal."

Most if not all of the Dabrowski's characteristics I exhibit can be present in Asperger's. Not all Aspies are creative, but many are. Two or three other Aspies here enjoy going to clubs and parties because like myself, they've found workarounds and ways to cope with social anxiety. Some Aspies get intense sensory overload, others get none; I get comparatively very little. There was another Aspie at my school who still hasn't achieved any level of normality, and he talked by quickly rambling or struggling to get the words out, and he loved debating and proving people wrong. "That's a cool bug!" "ACTUALLY it's an insect...(rambling)" There's not a chance he was just gifted!

With therapy or practice, anyone can strengthen the connections between parts of the brain that were weakened at birth. Maybe not entirely; I can't recognize or understand many social behaviors, but if I can identify one, with enough practice it basically becomes instinctive.

There's nothing anyone claiming to have Asperger's has mentioned that I cannot relate to, so if I'm an NT...well, I can relate to more than just being bullied or enjoying computers!


Dude, I can just "tell", okay? I'm undoubtedly neurotypical and I've hung around these parts long enough to confidently state that the "It takes one to know one" rule works in this particular case. I mean, I can tell you intrinsically possess emotional excitability and sensitivity just from the fact you're using exclamation points to make excited statements and sarcastic comments (And I can "sense" the emotional undercurrents behind what you're writing; if one were to graph emotional intensity on a graph with the x-axis representing time, I'd say your emotional amplitude is far more typical of NTs than aspies.). That's just far more typical (and far more likely to come from) of aspie-like nerdy NTs than highly intelligent aspies-who-really-aren't-that-aspie.

(Of course, if aspie-ness is a spectrum, than "very mild aspergers" would probably be functionally equivalent to "aspie-like nerdiness", so your assertion of your "aspie-ness" is probably just the same as my assertion of being an 'aspie-like' NT.)


You're probably picking up on something, but I'm not sure it is what you think it is. I can think of "excitable" autistics, the first one to come to mind being non-verbal (if that's "autistic enough"), who almost uses more exclamation points than other characters in her writing. And the Mozart-and-the-Whale guy years ago seemed to fly off the handle and flame people all the time (online, anyway; I've heard that IRL he's a good guy). I'm assuming they checked his "credentials" pretty well before making a movie about his life that mentions that he's on the spectrum.

This "all ASD == just like Spock" thing seems popular, but I don't think that it's correct.



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10 Apr 2011, 11:40 pm

I used to be in the party scene...from the age of 18-21. The roommate I live with is a dj and I pretty much tag along with him everywhere. As long as I'm with him, I feel safe. I liked going to clubs, but I was also drinking and doing drugs. At that point the noise and the lights didn't seem to matter. I was addicted to the feeling of being part of the group. I didn't have any friends, but I knew all of his. I mainly hung out in the dj booth or at a vip table and people watched. It was a nice to escape me for a little while and just listen to music.

Being a college student now, I no longer go out...ever. I am completely focused on school. My roommate took me out to a street festival one night and, being sober, it was not a pleasant experience.



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11 Apr 2011, 12:28 am

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I want the affection and reciprocated desire from a woman, and I consider losing my v card to be a significant social milestone. It's taken me years to learn the proper social behaviors for attracting and romancing a woman.

I've seen patterns like that since I was a young child. I've tried Salvia once....it was terrifying. Aside from that I've only smoked weed.

What's the probability that I'm just a "gifted" NT with so many detriments, many of which are related to Asperger's? :roll: I doubt it's much higher than the probability that I'm an Aspie with a couple "highly gifted NT" gifts. Why can I relate to every post I've read here? My mind clearly works in much the same way, so what difference does it make? Do you really think I'm closer to being an NT than an Aspie? Doubtful!

And "gifted"! What a stupid label! "Oh, it's not Asperger's, he's just gifted. Yes, he thinks like an Aspie and has many of the same behaviors, including the negative ones, but he's perfectly normal."

Most if not all of the Dabrowski's characteristics I exhibit can be present in Asperger's. Not all Aspies are creative, but many are. Two or three other Aspies here enjoy going to clubs and parties because like myself, they've found workarounds and ways to cope with social anxiety. Some Aspies get intense sensory overload, others get none; I get comparatively very little. There was another Aspie at my school who still hasn't achieved any level of normality, and he talked by quickly rambling or struggling to get the words out, and he loved debating and proving people wrong. "That's a cool bug!" "ACTUALLY it's an insect...(rambling)" There's not a chance he was just gifted!

With therapy or practice, anyone can strengthen the connections between parts of the brain that were weakened at birth. Maybe not entirely; I can't recognize or understand many social behaviors, but if I can identify one, with enough practice it basically becomes instinctive.

There's nothing anyone claiming to have Asperger's has mentioned that I cannot relate to, so if I'm an NT...well, I can relate to more than just being bullied or enjoying computers!


Dude, I can just "tell", okay? I'm undoubtedly neurotypical and I've hung around these parts long enough to confidently state that the "It takes one to know one" rule works in this particular case. I mean, I can tell you intrinsically possess emotional excitability and sensitivity just from the fact you're using exclamation points to make excited statements and sarcastic comments (And I can "sense" the emotional undercurrents behind what you're writing; if one were to graph emotional intensity on a graph with the x-axis representing time, I'd say your emotional amplitude is far more typical of NTs than aspies.). That's just far more typical (and far more likely to come from) of aspie-like nerdy NTs than highly intelligent aspies-who-really-aren't-that-aspie.

(Of course, if aspie-ness is a spectrum, than "very mild aspergers" would probably be functionally equivalent to "aspie-like nerdiness", so your assertion of your "aspie-ness" is probably just the same as my assertion of being an 'aspie-like' NT.)


You're probably picking up on something, but I'm not sure it is what you think it is. I can think of "excitable" autistics, the first one to come to mind being non-verbal (if that's "autistic enough"), who almost uses more exclamation points than other characters in her writing. And the Mozart-and-the-Whale guy years ago seemed to fly off the handle and flame people all the time (online, anyway; I've heard that IRL he's a good guy). I'm assuming they checked his "credentials" pretty well before making a movie about his life that mentions that he's on the spectrum.

This "all ASD == just like Spock" thing seems popular, but I don't think that it's correct.


I am very expressive..........only my expressions are awkward in real life but on the internet they are not! Just because someone is expressive ( especially on the internet where facial expression, voice tone etc. do not come into play) is not a reason to think they aren't an aspie.