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27 Jun 2011, 9:22 am

1) Manipulation. They can't seem to do -anything- without being manipulative about it. When they smile it's not because they're happy and when they cry it isn't always because they're sad. I have a hard enough time reading emotions as it is, but when they do it to provoke or use someone, it just kills me. Because I really can't tell if they are lying, ever.

2) Not understanding. I'll tell them flat out what's going on with me and they will tell me I'm lying because "no one thinks that way." At least now I can counter with "no one 'normal' thinks that way. Don't be a bigot."



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27 Jun 2011, 4:32 pm

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I hate how they can't accept that some people are different, and be ok with it.

If anyone is too different, they get pigeonholed into non existence.


That's very succinct, and it's exactly what they do. My kids have been having trouble in school and the first step every time something must be done seems to be putting a label on them. Then they agree that the labels are merely for the purpose of securing funding to help with their school issues, only to turn around and refer to their "autism" in discussing problem behaviors. My son seems more ADHD, if there had to be a label, but our psych says personality does not equal disorder, so he has no clinical diagnosis, just the school's assessment.


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27 Jun 2011, 10:09 pm

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Also, a lot of people seem to be narcissistic in general; a reason many many people are misanthropes and carry no respect for humanity whatsoever (even if compassionate). By 'misanthrope,' I do not mean a serial killer. I mean a person who firmly believes that humanity has gone to waste with a lack of morals and kind words for other people: a person who cannot comprehend other people even at the sake or cost of their own lives, be it NT or AS


Sadly agree with this statement. Our western society is built on individualistic rather than collectivist social values with an emphasis on the individual's needs over the family and society in general.



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27 Jun 2011, 10:41 pm

I don't understand why they think we are the weird ones. I view myself as normal, just wired differently.
I also hate it when my sister calls me stupid, even though she's the one who scored awful close to 70 on her IQ test.


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27 Jun 2011, 10:59 pm

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Lunasa wrote:
Also, a lot of people seem to be narcissistic in general; a reason many many people are misanthropes and carry no respect for humanity whatsoever (even if compassionate). By 'misanthrope,' I do not mean a serial killer. I mean a person who firmly believes that humanity has gone to waste with a lack of morals and kind words for other people: a person who cannot comprehend other people even at the sake or cost of their own lives, be it NT or AS


Sadly agree with this statement. Our western society is built on individualistic rather than collectivist social values with an emphasis on the individual's needs over the family and society in general.



Too right you are, to view this as 'agreeable.' For once in my life (figuratively speaking) I found a person who views this as the truth: the relationship between narcissism and misanthropy. I for one have a very difficult time depicting why people want to treat the rest of the people in their society poorly, as if there's a reason to collect a name for one's self. People should not try expanding their personal interests over the heads of others in order to gain recognition for being a 'normal...NT.' Furthermore, I think you're correct. Familial needs are outdated, it seems. Some say that individualistic needs are sprawled about the city, but if there's nothing for everybody, then what is the emphasis on everybody in town? In society in general.



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27 Jun 2011, 11:22 pm

Lunasa wrote:
the relationship between narcissism and misanthropy.


This relationship is quite interesting and overlays the Individual Vs Collective argument. Narcissism is of course a personality typified by traits such as egotism, vanity, conceit, or simple selfishness. Applied to a social group, it is sometimes used to denote elitism or an indifference to the plight of others. The incidence of narcissism has always been consistent however a society that values "rugged individualism" and personal independence encourages those with narcissistic tendencies to indulge too much in this trait. Of course it is also a DSM disorder.

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I for one have a very difficult time depicting why people want to treat the rest of the people in their society poorly, as if there's a reason to collect a name for one's self.


This is not always the case, rural communities still retain a certain collective outlook and maintenance of the extended family and community.

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People should not try expanding their personal interests over the heads of others in order to gain recognition for being a 'normal...NT.'


By this you mean Aspies? it is human nature to want to be part of society and to be recognized for achievements. The decision to climb social ladders or step on other's toes to gain social merit is a personal one. We may develop a framework with boundaries. However as goals become tangible the boundaries we give ourselves often become extended, perforated or vanish completely. Certainly an intelligent sensitive autistic person to survive in this society is a great challenge. The costs are always there.

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Some say that individualistic needs are sprawled about the city, but if there's nothing for everybody, then what is the emphasis on everybody in town? In society in general.


In urban society "rat race" "dog eat dog" and Darwinian "survival of the fittest" are an pivotal cliches describing our lives and suggesting dissatisfaction. The individual is the epitome of our modern capitalist merit based per-formative class based social network. While this remains we will always start our sentences with "I" and finish a sentence with "me".



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28 Jun 2011, 12:15 am

MakaylaTheAspie wrote:
I don't understand why they think we are the weird ones. I view myself as normal, just wired differently.
I also hate it when my sister calls me stupid, even though she's the one who scored awful close to 70 on her IQ test.


"Stupid" is one of the fall back words in the limited vocabulary of people seeking a name for what they do not understand. The fact that there are all kinds of intelligence and that people work at different speeds with equally good results never seems to occur to those of a limited mind. They're so eager to find a slot that fits perfectly the thing they want to file. To be smart, they decide, means this, and to be unable to do this means to not be smart, and thus my world is ordered and peaceful. Limited.


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28 Jun 2011, 12:29 am

Judgemental
Intolerant
Self centered
Short Sighted
Rampant sense of entitlement

That kind of goes for the whole species. Haven't found a single group, population, nationality, type, division, classification or label that is free of those traits yet.

We are all human and we are all flawed.



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28 Jun 2011, 12:39 am

How they attempt to make themselves appear nice but use this condescending snarky language that you only understand what it means after you've noticed the person doesn't really like you. It's all just an act to appear like a nice person to others it seems.



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11 Jul 2011, 12:07 pm

What annoys me the most about NTs is the way they can see what type of a person you are just by looking at you. Any little thing you do and say, even if it is nowhere near weird, something about your behaviour registers in their head, giving them signals that you're ''weird''. So the next time people say, ''you need to communicate with people more'', I feel like turning round and saying, ''don't need to do that - every stranger already knows me! They're so sharp at knowing my personality type just by looking at me, even if I am just sitting there still and not saying or doing anything!''

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11 Jul 2011, 7:32 pm

I hate how they avoid being direct, and always have to use stupid jokes/metaphors when getting their points across, then they think you are weird when you are being completely direct, and try to look for some sort of sarcasm in your speech. There have been many times where I have said something directly, and they assumed I was being sarcastic, and was surprised when they found out I was being serious, sometimes they don't find out until years later.



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11 Jul 2011, 9:40 pm

that they think everything i do is about them...to make them mad or because im mad at them but its not.

like i was putting my hands over my ears because a kid was screaming and they were trying to talk to me...and they said i was trying to be rude but i wasnt..i was trying to help my ears and i couldnt hear them anyway.

everytime i do something people ask why im mad...and im not even mad...



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11 Jul 2011, 11:58 pm

They smell weird and stuff. Image


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12 Jul 2011, 12:07 am

Three things I cant stand:

1) Being told to talk with more emotion

2) Being told to smile and look Happy

3) Having people get mad at me because I've
done exactly what they ask, but not more.



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12 Jul 2011, 12:13 am

Three things I cant stand:

1) Being told to talk with more emotion

2) Being told to smile and look Happy

3) Having people get mad at me because I've
done exactly what they ask, but not more.



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12 Jul 2011, 2:13 am

When they assign some secret meaning to your words or behavior and then it is absolutely impossible to convince them that that meaning is only the product of their imagination. Why does everything have to have a secret meaning?