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14 Jul 2011, 8:09 am

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Before I reply, please print out my prior posts and show them to either your court appointed carer or responsible adult, ask them to explain them to you in such a way so that you can understand. Then get them to help you to compose a relevant/on topic rebuttal.


What? I don't need a carer like you because I am not an arrogant idiot. Also, have you not seen? the original poster said that you called him feeble-minded, apparently in that part of the post where you were talking about a general you? Seems noone believes your feeble arguments



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14 Jul 2011, 8:14 am

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Gedrene.. Tadpole... You guys need to stop hijacking this thread.
Tadpole was responding to the OP's post, not you specifically Gedrene.

But when She/He said "you need to grow a pair" it seems (to me) that s/he WAS talking to you... And based on your responses, it may have been good advice.

Okay now quote me and slash me. I can take it. And I don't plan to respond and continue hijacking this thread, so I'd rather you do it in pms. Unless you really need the attention.


I don't care about what you can take. What I care is that this person is just making ephebic, pathetic insults and somehow pointing out these flaws means I need to grow a pair? You have a pretty big nerve saying I am the one trying to garner attention when you talk big and put me down.



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14 Jul 2011, 8:16 am

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Before I reply, please print out my prior posts and show them to either your court appointed carer or responsible adult, ask them to explain them to you in such a way so that you can understand. Then get them to help you to compose a relevant/on topic rebuttal.


What? I don't need a carer like you because I am not an arrogant, idiot. Also, have you not seen? the original poster said that you called him feeble-minded, apparently in that part of the post where you were talking about a general you? Seems noone believes your feeble arguments

Who is Noone, I've not seen him/her post in this thread.
If you care to Read my post I said
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moreover if you cannot say something funny without being offensive you’re a feeble minded jerk to boot.
You will notice that I Said “If you cannot say ….”
Which is not quite what you are implying.



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14 Jul 2011, 8:29 am

Look, fool. You were saying that the person was a 'feeble minded jerk' without even hearing one example of his offensive jokes. You jumped to conclusions. Am I then justified in helping my fellow man by hammering you in to the ground? Yes actually. I don't feel you have a right to push people around and get away with it.

All you can do is make wild assertions about the size of my testicles and some thing about me needing a carer because it's an easy point to attack, whilst I make comments about your inability to justify yourself and your constant self-righteous whining. You're no better than a schoolground bully.



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14 Jul 2011, 9:08 am

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I have a sense of humour that is, to many people, highly offensive. No topic is off-limits and if it's not "too soon" it's no longer funny. I understand that people become offended because they have automatic emotional responses to certain images and concepts (esp. death and violence related), but I don't understand why either they don't recognise that this is irrational and see the wit and humour, or why I don't seem to have the same response. To my mind, the real tragedies are in the reality of violent, dangerous and unfortunate situations, realities that do not change depending on whether someone points out any (for example) irony in these situations, which also does not preclude someone from helping to better those situations.
Or am I just a jerk? :lol:

You said that you understand that people become offended because they have automatic emotional responses to certain images and concepts, and yet you keep on telling the same joke in the same manner.
When you said that you “don't understand why either they don't recognise that this is irrational and see the wit and humour” what you are really saying is, why can they not see that I am right and they are wrong. If they do not agree with you, it does not mean that it is they that are lacking. It means that you and they do not agree.
Now knowing something is causing offence and repeating that behaviour is where “the acting like a Jerk” comes in.


I posed the question of the reason (if there are significant reasons) for differing responses; ie: emotion precluding evaluation of the joke itself (various people who are not me), or apparent lack of a sufficiently strong emotional response to decide the joke isn't worth evaluating (me), I never said anyone was wrong. If your reason is "because [I'm] a jerk", that's a valid answer, albeit apparently based on a flawed premise, since I also never said I tell the same joke in the same manner, nor to the same people (which I previously addressed). You appear to be reading between the lines.



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14 Jul 2011, 9:14 am

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Look, fool. You were saying that the person was a 'feeble minded jerk' without even hearing one example of his offensive jokes. You jumped to conclusions. Am I then justified in helping my fellow man by hammering you in to the ground? Yes actually. I don't feel you have a right to push people around and get away with it.

All you can do is make wild assertions about the size of my testicles and some thing about me needing a carer because it's an easy point to attack, whilst I make comments about your inability to justify yourself and your constant self-righteous whining. You're no better than a schoolground bully.

Sometimes I wonder if you are reading the same thread as you are replying to.
All you have proven is that you lack comprehension,
You’ve “hammered” no one,
You’ve shown a clear lack of understanding of the language you use,
You’ve shown a clear lack of understanding of how to “argue” for the wont of a better word,
You’ve shown a clear lack of understanding on the points I have raised.
You think you have in some way won, not sure what when clearly you’ve just made yourself look kind of simple and foolish.
You seem to think you are Standing up for some hapless helpless person, when in fact you are insulting them. They don’t need your help, they have replied, in a grown up and perfectly reasonable way. They’ve read the replies I’ve made and they have been able to formulate a response, without the over use of words. You are now acting like a playground braggard boasting of a fight that only happened in your mind.
I'm sorry I like a good battle of wits, but draw the line with the unarmed.

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I posed the question of the reason (if there are significant reasons) for differing responses; ie: emotion precluding evaluation of the joke itself (various people who are not me), or apparent lack of a sufficiently strong emotional response to decide the joke isn't worth evaluating (me), I never said anyone was wrong. If your reason is "because [I'm] a jerk", that's a valid answer, albeit apparently based on a flawed premise, since I also never said I tell the same joke in the same manner, nor to the same people (which I previously addressed). You appear to be reading between the lines.

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I always seem to be the one to take it that bit too far or stay on it too long...
You know it is offensive and you keep going, by your own admission. :)



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14 Jul 2011, 10:07 am

All you do is make constant accusations with no evidence to deflect from the fact that you're an insecure, cheap, senseless loser who is trying to protect their offensive, mindless insult on someone and can't possibly understand that I would protect someone from your barrage of idiocy out of the simple reason that you deserve having your arrogance shoved right down your throat. Do they need preotection? No. Does that mean they would mind help? of course not! I didn't say I had won. I said I had hammered you. That means I was assaulting your idiotic whingeing. With that battle of wits line all you point out is that you don't care about what's right or wrong, just that you want to look better. Also I read their responses you wailing idiot, they said you were reading between the lines, making gross assumptions, just like I said you were all the time.



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14 Jul 2011, 10:13 am

Most of my humor is of the offensive kind. But I only tell that kind of humor to those who I know for sure don't mind/like hearing it



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14 Jul 2011, 10:15 am

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All you do is make constant accusations with no evidence to deflect from the fact that you're an insecure, cheap, senseless loser who is trying to protect their offensive, mindless insult on someone and can't possibly understand that I would protect someone from your barrage of idiocy out of the simple reason that you deserve having your arrogance shoved right down your throat. Do they need preotection? No. Does that mean they would mind help? of course not! I didn't say I had won. I said I had hammered you. That means I was assaulting your idiotic whingeing. With that battle of wits line all you point out is that you don't care about what's right or wrong, just that you want to look better. Also I read their responses you wailing idiot, they said you were reading between the lines, making gross assumptions, just like I said you were all the time.
I'm sure that you meant to post this in another thread where it made some any kind of sense, :lol:
not to worry.



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14 Jul 2011, 10:47 am

My sense of humour is pretty dark and can sometimes be deemed 'offensive' I suppose... but then again I pretty much nick all of my jokes from Family Guy and South Park so I'm not exactly original, just repeating what I have heard on TV! I tend to shy away from jokes which are centred around race, disability or anything else that isn't a choice (i.e you are born that way) but I do go there with religious jokes because personally I see religion as a choice... but I'm not going to say I don't respect people's religions though.


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14 Jul 2011, 10:50 am

SyphonFilter wrote:
Most of my humor is of the offensive kind. But I only tell that kind of humor to those who I know for sure don't mind/like hearing it


Better not tell Tadpole that. He'll start calling you mindless.

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I'm sure that you meant to post this in another thread where it made some any kind of sense, :lol:
not to worry.


No. It only makes sense in this thread, where the moron in denial needs to see it.



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14 Jul 2011, 11:03 am

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I posed the question of the reason (if there are significant reasons) for differing responses; ie: emotion precluding evaluation of the joke itself (various people who are not me), or apparent lack of a sufficiently strong emotional response to decide the joke isn't worth evaluating (me), I never said anyone was wrong. If your reason is "because [I'm] a jerk", that's a valid answer, albeit apparently based on a flawed premise, since I also never said I tell the same joke in the same manner, nor to the same people (which I previously addressed). You appear to be reading between the lines.

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I always seem to be the one to take it that bit too far or stay on it too long...
You know it is offensive and you keep going, by your own admission. :)


..and that quote, in context, is...

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Is this something any of you also deal with? Is it a common NT trait? I do have some NT friends (albeit probably closer to the autistic end of the spectrum than your typical NT (hehe, TNT..)) with similar sense of humour, but I always seem to be the one to take it that bit too far or stay on it too long...


...meaning that I will use such humour around these friends with a similar sense of humour, and it may escalate between us, before someone says "dude, too far!" (or similar), and often, the person who went "too far" was me. That is not the same as using such humour on a person I have just met, or that I know from previous observation does not like it.

However, I realise that meaning is not completely clear from what I originally wrote, which is my fault - though the meaning you inferred isn't clear from the original text either.

In any case, it seems beyond doubt that I am a jerk, but what I am more interested in is why people can't or don't want to try and evaluate a joke on its timing, relevance, insight, wit, etc. independant of their emotional reaction, or whether that's just supposed to be the way people are built, and the great systems engineer replaced my empathy card with other things, leaving me with just BIOS empathy services.



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14 Jul 2011, 11:30 am

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In any case, it seems beyond doubt that I am a jerk, but what I am more interested in is why people can't or don't want to try and evaluate a joke on its timing, relevance, insight, wit, etc. independant of their emotional reaction, or whether that's just supposed to be the way people are built, and the great systems engineer replaced my empathy card with other things, leaving me with just BIOS empathy services.
That may be because they do evaluate a (the)joke on its timing, relevance, insight, wit, and their finding are not the same as you, what you see as insight they may find either disgusting or unkind what you see as wit, they see as hurtful or degrading what you feel is relevant(ce) they may feel as sickeningly ghoulish. (I’m not saying that it is any of the above, but I can see that what one person sees as mocking if somewhat insulting witty badinage, others find, well let’s just say it’s beyond their somewhat limited capacity to understand grown up talk, and they are forced in “white-knight” mode, which is their default position for all things beyond their ken.
Few people can isolate their emotions, on things subjects joke which have directly affected them or their friends or family. So making Jokes about babies dying, or rape, or people burning to death in car accidents will “push their buttons” Others are so over exposed to it by their ‘chan mentality’ that they laugh, but still feel disgusted, yet more are unable or incapable of empathy that they don’t even consider that that they say is “out of order”. All of the above people are to be supported, it is in my opinion that making Joke on an offensive nature in their company in inappropriate. To do so is the act of a jerk, but if as you says you don’t know when to stop or know when you are about to go far even in a group of your friends.
You are not a jerk, you just need to work on your verbal impulse control and memory.



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14 Jul 2011, 11:31 am

Go back on topic and stop the personal attacks guys. If you have a problem deal with it in private.


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14 Jul 2011, 11:42 am

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Gedrene.. Tadpole... You guys need to stop hijacking this thread.
Tadpole was responding to the OP's post, not you specifically Gedrene.

Though when She/He said "you need to grow a pair" it seems (to me) that s/he WAS talking to you... Either way I think it's timing and miscommunication and there's little reason to continue this hatefest in public.

Okay now you can both quote me and slash me. I can take it. But I don't plan to respond or to continue hijacking this thread, so I'd rather you do it in pms. Unless you really need the attention.

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Though when She/He said "you need to grow a pair" it seems (to me) that s/he WAS talking to you... And based on your responses, it may have been good advice.
Okay now quote me and slash me. I can take it. And I don't plan to respond and continue hijacking this thread, so I'd rather you do it in pms. Unless you really need the attention.
Nice re-edit
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Go back on topic and stop the personal attacks guys. If you have a problem deal with it in private.

Your Timing is a bit off, and your sense of what is happening in this thread.



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14 Jul 2011, 12:00 pm

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Go back on topic and stop the personal attacks guys. If you have a problem deal with it in private.


Well could you do something about tadpole? She insists on attacking even people trying to help her with NT rage.