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13 Jul 2011, 1:13 pm

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I tried to resist. Honestly I did. But in the end I posted a comment highlighting the attitudes being portrayed and sarcasticly asking them whether this is the level of compassion they show to all people with disabilities.

One poster, who hadn't actually said anything unpleasant, immediately apologised for any offense she may have caused (she hadn't) and asked me some questions about how lonely and isolating it feels to be autistic and have people take these negative attitudes. So I explained some of the frustrations of aspieness, like sudden ending of friendships and not knowing why, of being in trouble for answering a question because you didn't know that you're not supposed to answer honestly and suchlike.

Then another poster promptly tells me that what I say is rubbish. She knows far more about autism than I do because she's a teacher and has had autistic children in her class. And then everyone starts asking her about autism in adults and completely ignoring me, the only autistic adult in the house. 8O

I swear to god, we're not the weird ones. We're just the minority.


This is why I don't do mom forums anymore. None of them are interested in truth... just what makes them feel good.

Honestly, people seem to think we can't speak for ourselves. That we're incapable of it.


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13 Jul 2011, 1:39 pm

No more than anyone else. I'm just a lot worse at hiding it when I am.



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13 Jul 2011, 1:47 pm

hay don't call me that!
just becuse the world revolves around me doesn't give you the right to say bad things about me?


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13 Jul 2011, 1:53 pm

That's not how I really viewed myself at all...


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13 Jul 2011, 1:54 pm

MotherKnowsBest wrote:
I tried to resist. Honestly I did. But in the end I posted a comment highlighting the attitudes being portrayed and sarcasticly asking them whether this is the level of compassion they show to all people with disabilities.

One poster, who hadn't actually said anything unpleasant, immediately apologised for any offense she may have caused (she hadn't) and asked me some questions about how lonely and isolating it feels to be autistic and have people take these negative attitudes. So I explained some of the frustrations of aspieness, like sudden ending of friendships and not knowing why, of being in trouble for answering a question because you didn't know that you're not supposed to answer honestly and suchlike.

Then another poster promptly tells me that what I say is rubbish. She knows far more about autism than I do because she's a teacher and has had autistic children in her class. And then everyone starts asking her about autism in adults and completely ignoring me, the only autistic adult in the house. 8O

I swear to god, we're not the weird ones. We're just the minority.


I've met people who claimed to know the most about autism for having autistic children in their classroom who actually had no empathy for autistics and didn't really know that much about autism.

Getting frustrated at parents who demand bullies being held accountable for their actions after repeated bullying of their autistic child.

Oh yes just being around someone with autism in a classroom setting minus not actually having experience beyond that with autism doesn't not mean you understand autism.



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13 Jul 2011, 2:17 pm

Unfortunately it seems NT's have a stereotype in their minds about Aspies as self centered and unaware of anyone else's feelings but their own. I happen to think it's totally untrue, but it seems to have permeated our society. Anyone remember when that Internet guy went off on Mark Zuckerberg, saying his actions were "Asperger's like?" There seemed little came out of that but if he'd called Mark gay or accused him of racism, the uproar would've been massive. I guess the key question is how can Aspies demonstrate that for the most part the stereotype is wrong?


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13 Jul 2011, 9:44 pm

Sometimes, to be honest.

Just because people have AS doesn't mean AS is an excuse for all of their behaviors.



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15 Jul 2011, 5:05 am

I am extraordinarily self-centered and I am most certainly a selfish ass.



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15 Jul 2011, 5:43 am

TheygoMew wrote:
I've met people who claimed to know the most about autism for having autistic children in their classroom who actually had no empathy for autistics and didn't really know that much about autism.

Getting frustrated at parents who demand bullies being held accountable for their actions after repeated bullying of their autistic child.

Oh yes just being around someone with autism in a classroom setting minus not actually having experience beyond that with autism doesn't not mean you understand autism.


Similarly to this, I have two friends, one of whom works with Autistic people and one of whom has someone with AS working in their office. According to both of them, I don't have AS. Neither is a doctor :roll: . They were both really put out when I got the official diagnosis. :lol:


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15 Jul 2011, 5:51 am

This is a very sensitive subject for me.

I try really hard not to be self-centred or selfish as it is a quality I dislike in others.

However, people often accuse me of being this way.

When I choose to think of others before myself, I am told I am only doing that because I want to do it and therefore it is a selfish choice.

When I decide just to do what comes naturally (which depending on the situation might be looking after others first, or looking after me first), I am told I am being self-centred because I am not purposefully considering the needs of others before those of myself.

I don't get it AT ALL. This is something that utterly confuses me - no matter how hard I try, I cannot get the balance right. I get extremely upset when people call me self-centred or selfish, because I really don't feel like I am and I try very hard not to be. Of course, they then use the fact that I am upset to say that I am only thinking of myself.

Damn. Can't win.

Maybe I will just be self-centred and selfish from now on. Bah humbug.


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15 Jul 2011, 6:21 am

*Gives yellowbanana a hug*

I hear you and utterly sympathise :? .

I have a friend who's ignoring me right now because he thinks I'm selfish :lol: .


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15 Jul 2011, 8:00 am

NT's dislike everyone for something



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15 Jul 2011, 10:27 am

I've been made to feel quite self-centered in the past. (I ate someone's ice cream, and a few days earlier forgot to bring enough money to pay for a lunch I was treating her to... all done purely out of ignorance.)
My personality, however, is the complete opposite-- if I find out that I've been treating someone selfishly, I'm dismayed. You should have seen how much I was apologizing...



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25 Jul 2011, 4:20 am

persian85033 wrote:
My mom says I am. Oddly, she's the only one who says it. At work people always say the opposite. My mom is probably right, though. I'm selfish and self centered. Not to mention completely useless. The only things I'm good for are watching tv, reading useless books, and surfing the internet.


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25 Jul 2011, 10:57 am

Yes, I think I am.

By default, anyway. I could go on by myself, forever, probably, and think of others occasionally, but soon forget them.

But, this is something that I can change easily. I don't think it's really good OR bad to be this way, I guess. I do think making an attempt to surround yourself with other people is good for most people (me anyway) and can make one less self-centered, even if it doesn't come naturally.

I'm also very generous once I actually THINK to do things for others, also. It's just not my MO.



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25 Jul 2011, 11:42 am

YellowBanana wrote:
When I choose to think of others before myself, I am told I am only doing that because I want to do it and therefore it is a selfish choice.

When I decide just to do what comes naturally (which depending on the situation might be looking after others first, or looking after me first), I am told I am being self-centred because I am not purposefully considering the needs of others before those of myself.

Damn. Can't win.


There's a philosophical argument that there is no such thing as true altruism. The argument relies on a nasty debate tactic where the meaning of "selfishness" is misleading because the definition is absurdly broad. It's a completely dishonest approach to altruism.

The "Is doing things for others a selfish act" philosophical argument rests squarely in "What if dreaming was real life and vice versa?", and "Dude, what if everyone in the world were high?" territory.

You can win. The next time someone attempts to tell you that doing things for other people is a selfish act, ask them "Would asking you to not share your idiotic opinions also be a selfish act?" Of course the answer is yes, but at least you're not dealing with someone whose ethics are rooted in moral dissonance.