Religion and Aspergers?

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Umm...not all Aspies are logical, I'm definitely not!!

The attraction or desire there, at least for me, is human community. A religious community and a chess club do not offer all the same things, of course, but each can provide a sense of belonging.


The big "If" there seems to indicate an assumption as to how a god could/should make itself known, and I have never found that kind of assumption as to either its own personal interest or ability productive.

I had a somewhat similar experience a while ago, but it had nothing to do with a church. From what I have experienced and heard from other people, there's no particular connection between any given religion and the incidence of seemingly psychic events like that. YMMV.

Another thing that annoys me is studies show that religious people are happier than non-religious people. I find that to be complete BS because there are plenty of spiritual and non-religious people who are very content.

I'm not religious, and I never really have been. I can probably count on my two hands how many times I've been to church.

I refuse to follow something that is so illogical. I also can't get around the fact that religion has caused a vast amount of death, torture, pain and corruption. It's disturbing when you take the time to think about it. With that being said, I can still understand why someone would choose to believe in a god/religion. It's just not for me.

I went to a Catholic high-school & a Catholic elementary one from 5th trough middle of 6th & I was bullied a lot in elementary due to being different & I had very few friends in high-school due to being different. I'm a Secular Humanist partly because they are pretty liberal & believe people should have the rite to to believe & act the way they want as long as they are not harming anything & I have major problems conforming

Id like to think there was something there but my brain says that without proof it doesnt exist

first thing is the bible says the world was created by god 6000 or so years ago , suppose thats one way of keeping homo erectus of gods list of creations but science tells us the world has been here for a lot longer than that ,

secondly its the fact that people dont seem to know much about their religion , if you a ask a christian who wrote the gospels of the new testament they will say matthew mark luke and john when in truth they came about around 60 years after jesus the person had died written or collected by people who werent with jesus on his exploits


finally for this post if you look at the bible/talmud/quran and see who kills the most people its the vengeful god that they worship and fear not the devil whos evil and bad, and then you can look at supposedly religious countries and how even with religion god isnt helping them any

atheists arn't a threat to the survival of our race, so maybe the comparison isn't fair.

You describe a moment of déjà vu. I think we all have such moments, now and then. What do they mean? Personally, I do fundamentally believe in a God that created us and gave us a moral code, a God that cares about us but has left the world in our hands. As a technical geek, I belief the proof is right in front of our noses, in that I do not see how materialism alone can completely account for human existence or the human condition. Materialism can account for a complex biological structure (really, a fancy robot), but how or why did that robot "come awake", and manifest consciousness and free will? How can a collection of atoms be conscious? How can science measure the phenomenon of consciousness? No, I see a supernatural component of humanity. I'd argue (it's a long argument) that it fills the void that the missing component would be the God of the Bible, rather than that flying spaghetti monster thingie. (Yes, I understand some materialists offer materialistic explanations and theories, and some spiritualists continue to advocate the spaghetti monster, so my assertions here can be debated. I'm not trying to lay the issue to rest here; I'm merely summarizing my own thoughts.)

Anyway, back to the déjà vu...I don't look to incidents like that to reinforce my spiritual beliefs. Such events are like shiny baubles; they're intriguing, and they mean...something, I'm not sure what. But I don't see them as a foundation for a belief structure. More like a thought-provoking nudge on the shoulder, to give you a moment of contemplation; maybe an inspiration to partake in this discussion. Either these thoughts will lead you to to look further, or they won't.

Not to come of as overly aggressive or anything, but I see the same intolerance towards (other) religions in some atheists as in religious people. Atheists generally don't go too far in this, but I don't think they're completely clean either.

Personally, I am a Christian, but I find the following two youtubes by Maja Toudal quite interesting and open minded... and relevant to this discussion.

Aspies and religious stances.... my thoughts.

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I don't like the us vs them mentality many religions have, especially Christianity.

I hear Christians say 'oh, we can't judge (insert other religion here) but they can criticise us.'
When they themselves need to take a good look at themselves and their doctrines that make them think they are the only right religion, their stance on homosexuality and their criticism on science.

Recently, religion was taken out of schools and ethics classes were put in instead and of course there were protests about it. Ethics classes cover a range of worldly topics and give kids a chance to debate them.

Also, there have been some church groups that have accused the Australian prime Minister of being a communist and the Greens as being evil. I'm not even going to touch that.

I have an open mind on all religions. I find Hinduism interesting, maybe because my dad was involved in it. But I choose to stay away from all that and instead focus on science. It's just some fundamentalist religions really boil my blood. They just need to keep out of people's business and let them make their own choice. I know not all Christians are like that but the type of people I'm talking about do exist because I've grown up around them and happen to be a daughter of one of them and happened to lose all respect for this person when she laughed at me when I screamed "THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH GAY PEOPLE!'
The same person said there are no facts for the big bang. Oh, but the whole entire Universe can be created in 6 days...

Agree somewhat, but since I personally find the question whether there is or is not a god irrelevant to my life, I would classify myself as more of an agnostic. People that describe themselves as athiests are usually defiantly anti-religion. I don't consider myself anti-religion. Non-religious perhaps.

Aspergers and religion is a dangerous combination.

Try reading the entire bible and you will most likely stop at a certain point but if you actually try to read it you will see lot's of puzzles that can be solved with the combination of (overall) logic, wisdom, perception and a little faith.

You have to take note that the entire course of history had it's influence on all religious scriptures. People with different thoughts may or may not have altered certain aspects more to their liking.

One thing all Aspergers must be able to relate to is Genesis and the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

Religious or not people diagnosed with Asperger seem to have a far higher understanding of the true meaning as it is written than most neurotypicals. It stands as high as not being able to deal with the created 'Golems' through logic and therefore it seems to have lost it's meaning.

But if you are sincere why be an atheist and possibly ruin everything for someone else. It is pure arrogance thinking that you know all the answers because you do not and you haven't died yet. There are story's that tell of the last moment of Charles Darwin who apologized to God on his deathbed. And he never was the same after visiting the primordial soup of this world.

By the way, Adam is the prototype of all human beings and he felt ashamed and naked before God when he ate the apple after Eve did. Adam must have felt the temptation earlier on but did not act on it. So Eve ate the apple and broke the rule. Soon after, Adam did the same thing which united them once again but they could not walk with God any longer. As a result they gained mortality and the knowledge of Good and Evil which resulted in accumulated wisdom through the years and the need to procreate. Difficulties as described in many books including the bible.

The fear of death affects all human beings and it motivates, why not take comfort in something you cannot explain and live like a human instead of an animal. An animal does not know it's ultimate fate but we do so we can act upon it. You may even be called righteous at a certain point in life and then you will have made a difference already because you have shown an example of how things could be done.

Bear in mind that hate is always a bad thing although complete understanding could be even worse.

If I were to identify with any religion, it would probably be Paganism since I'm very in tune with nature. Other than that, I'm a more spiritual person. I actually think organized religion can be dangerous.

I don't understand what you are implying with this: that we should base our own beliefs on what is most pleasant for other people? I also do not understand why the rest of your post seems to generalize that all aspies would agree on some portions of a religious text that are obviously not agreed on.


And yet this is why religions exist. They are the stories we come up with to make ourselves feel that we know what we do not know (though, more accurately, what we didn't know at the time these books were written). It seems very hypocritical to follow this line up with an explanation of Adam and Eve - you say it is arrogance to claim you know what you don't, and then describe a story designed to do just that.