Fashion - I don't get it.

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paperoceans
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22 Aug 2011, 8:38 pm

Freak-Z wrote:

paperoceans wrote:

Anika wrote:

I'm an NT female. And twice a year I glue myself to the computer for days and can't get off. Why? Mercedes-benz spring fashion show, and mercedes-benz fall fashion show. I'm also an artist, and a complete nature freak. Half my computer is filled with images of outfits that I would like to die in. But a good half the time I leave the house in pajama pants and a T-shirt. Especially to classes.

It's all about how the world perceives you. If you don't care, then good for you. I know that when I doll myself up, put on my bollywood star face (Can't pull off Hollywood, too brown-and-proud) and my pumps, the world is an entirely different place. Women don't make eye contact as much because I am superior to them, men make it more because in every way they cry for my attention. I am shouting to the world who I am in every way. My legs free up to a dangerous point because I'm not modest and heck i just don't like pants, every piece and layer pressing on my body tells everyone something about me.

I rouge my lips when I feel prim, and authoritative. When I just want to laugh and run around they're glossed so the light bounces off my smile. When I want to kiss they're bare, and faintly lined, looking puffier and vulnerable. I'm giving signals out into the world, freely for all to see. It's a mask of my true expressions. And it broadcasts to all a small story about me.

And it tells me more about them. When I present myself as an elite to society, in expensive clothes and at my most attractive, people smile more at me, other people won't look me in the face. It tells me so much more about the esteem and situation of every person I see in my day.

It's a choice. Gazing into a jeweled kaleidoscope at will. It's addictive too, and that's when it's a problem. Especially the teenaged girl conception that MORE makeup gets you further into that pretty jeweled place. It takes them farther away but it doesn't matter, because most of why they wear it is to improve how they see themselves. The pretty people live vastly different lives, where the world is unnaturally accommodating and bad things rarely happen. There are no deadlines and no boundaries keeping you where the normal people need to be. I like fading into the background just as much as I like lighting up a room, so many days it's a comfortable sundress that doesn't cover up entirely the fact that I have no patience to wear anything other than a sports bra, and no makeup.

But others, I yearn for the double-take people will do to try to meet my eyes just one more time before I pass.

THAT IS ALL THERE IS BEHIND THE ACTUAL REASON NT FEMALES BOTHER LOOKING HOT. Whether they know it or not.

Superb! You said it better than I did. So if any of you guys are wondering, this is why SOME of us NT chicks are this way. I should add, the majority of NTs aren't that fashionable in the first place. It isn't about the brand--which a lot of unfashionable people think it is. I cannot tell you how many times I've cringed when I've seen a girl walking around with Uggs and an Abercrombie shirt on. Just because it's expensive doesn't mean that it's great :roll:

Most fashionistas get their clothes from the thrift store or vintage stores anyway. With maybe one or two items that are a bit more pricey... Like the shoes. My shoes are probably the most expensive things on me since I love Doc Martens for the comfort. Also, you'll be amazed how people treat you when you dress better. They're much nicer and as Anika said, they smile at you.

But my hypothesis is that they're smiling because you're walking with confidence because you know you're the sh**.

Unfashionable people often look better than so called fashionable people imo. Haha, NOT.

Define dressing better, who decides who dresses good or bad? and why should we believe them? People treating me better because I dress a certain way isn't a good excuse and won't make me change. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not.

Fashion is really just a from of social control when you think about it.

How is it social control? Everything is fashion. Wearing jeans is a form of fashion. I think a lot of you are taking it a bit too seriously. Whatever you're wearing right now is your sense of fashion.

BTW, everything about humanity = socialization. We're very social, as are most animals in the animal kingdom. What you wear outside of your house is how people will perceive you. If you want to attract certain people towards you, then you must appear a certain way. If you're a guy and you want a chick that looks like a supermodel, you better at least wear something else than a pair of flip flops, and the same applies to women. Also, if you want to be taken seriously in your career, if you dress better people will view you in a better light.

What you wear is a lot more important than a lot of you think IMHO.

BTW, complaining about NTs being obsessed with things that are materialistic (which is in fact, complete fabrication. Not every person is the same and I know many NTs who do not care of fashion or makeup), but then going on and on about how you find it ridiculous how people care about their looks is rather hypocritical. You're complaining about people judging the way you look, but then you're judging other people based on their looks. It's a never ending cycle

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22 Aug 2011, 9:31 pm

What is wrong with dressing nicely? It means you carry yourself well and look friendly. You don't have to follow trends but wear what suits you. Since I have a petite figure I don't wear baggy clothes as they swamp a petite body. If I wanted people to avoid me I'd wear clothes that don't suit me....

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22 Aug 2011, 9:47 pm

paperoceans wrote:

There's a few falsities in this.
1. The most common definition of fashion requires it to be a popular trend.

2. This assumes that people wear clothing based off of how it looks and have looks. I'll wear drastically different clothing based off of what is comfortable at the time. Comfort is the primary goal in clothing, not anything to do with how I look.

Also you did continue to use "better", when you seemed to be meaning "more like the average person". What do you mean by dressing better? Dressing how people expect you to for a certain situation because then they'll not treat you like you're a weirdo?

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22 Aug 2011, 10:19 pm

To me, putting together a nice outfit is another form of art. There is nothing wtrong with wanting to look good, as long as you're doing it for yourself and nobody else. I also like to wear a little bit of makeup. Just some black eyeliner and mascara.

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22 Aug 2011, 10:28 pm

paperoceans wrote:

People telling me what I can and can't wear seems pretty controlling to me.

paperoceans wrote:

BTW, everything about humanity = socialization. We're very social, as are most animals in the animal kingdom.

Well I'm not very social and neither are lots of other people.

paperoceans wrote:

What you wear outside of your house is how people will perceive you.

Why should I care about how others perceive me?

paperoceans wrote:

If you want to attract certain people towards you, then you must appear a certain way.

What if I want to attract the type of person who doesn't care about my clothes and if they are fashionable?

paperoceans wrote:

If you're a guy and you want a chick that looks like a supermodel, you better at least wear something else than a pair of flip flops, and the same applies to women.

1. I don't want a chick, I prefer a woman. 2. I don't want a women who looks like a supermodel.

And I like flip flops. :cry:

paperoceans wrote:

Also, if you want to be taken seriously in your career, if you dress better people will view you in a better light.

And what if I don't care about being taken seriously or being viewed in a better light? Plus this depends on what type of job you are in.

paperoceans wrote:

What you wear is a lot more important than a lot of you think IMHO.

Only if you are desperate for other peoples approval.

paperoceans wrote:

BTW, complaining about NTs being obsessed with things that are materialistic (which is in fact, complete fabrication. Not every person is the same and I know many NTs who do not care of fashion or makeup), but then going on and on about how you find it ridiculous how people care about their looks is rather hypocritical. You're complaining about people judging the way you look, but then you're judging other people based on their looks. It's a never ending cycle

I don't think I have seen anyone judging others people based on their looks here.

People have varied tastes, It doesn't matter what clothes I wear they will always be some people who don't like them, so I might as well just dress in clothes that I feel comfortable in.

Ashuahhe wrote:

Again who dictates what dressing nicely is?

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22 Aug 2011, 10:38 pm

Dressing nicely doesn't mean you're desperate for other peoples approval. Dressing slu*ty on the other hand is. Key difference

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23 Aug 2011, 12:12 am

Fashion is stupid. As long as what you are wearing is clean, why do your clothes matter? If someone judges me because I like wearing comfortable clothes from Wal-Mart then they're superficial and definitely not the type of person I would like to get to know.

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23 Aug 2011, 12:56 am

My definition of "fashion" is whatever kinds of clothing & adornments are most prevalent in stores at the moment. We all can picture a 70's outfit, 80's outfit, a 90's outfit, etc, you get the picture. But no, I don't really follow fashion at all. I NOTICE fashion, but I don't buy a new wardrobe every season or anything, in fact I still wear some of my old clothes from high school(and I'm 30 now). I've been goth to various degrees since I was 14 & have never really cared about being trendy or fashionable, though I don't restrict myself from wearing something I like if it just happens to BE fashionable. Right now, the most fashionable thing I own is a Coach purse. I didn't buy it for the name or the fact that it's in style though, I bought it cause it's the absolute most perfect shade of blinding metallic pewter I've ever seen. Seriously, it's like the T-1000 in purse form(I have an obsession with metallic things, lol). But other than that, it's black Wal-Mart shirts & jeans for me. I wear makeup & nail polish, I do my hair, but it's all for ME, not anyone else.

To me, dressing nice means wearing clean, well-maintained clothes that are occasion-appropriate. I don't really care what people think of me, but out of respect I'm not gonna wear ripped jeans or a vulgar shirt to a funeral or anything(unless its the funeral of a friend who would have wanted me to dress like that. Yes, I have friends like this). I don't get people who dress up for casual occasions though. Just today I went to the mall & saw countless women in spike heels & miniskirts. Why?! My feet start to hurt after walking around for a couple hours in sneakers, I don't know why people torture themselves like that just to turn heads.

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23 Aug 2011, 2:44 am

I'm not really into trends, but I do wear basic items like slacks or jeans, and shirts or blouses that don't go out of style. In the winter, I wear sweaters with jeans, and in the summer, I wear shorts most of the time. As for shoes, I don't care for high heels, so I wear flats or sandals. I do wear makeup, but it's minimal and only worn to enhance my natural features. At least, I just wear mascara and some tinted lip balm. I do have my toenails painted, but my workplace won't let me wear polish on my fingernails as I work around food.

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23 Aug 2011, 5:18 am

SteelMaiden wrote:

To those with ASD: do you care about fashion so obsessively as many teenage girls do? What do you wear?

I usually wear army trousers (I find them more comfortable than other trousers and I can't stand jeans), baggy t-shirts, army boots (they're good for walking and I like walking long distances) and if its cold I'll wear a sweatshirt of some sort. I like my clothes to be baggy because I don't like to feel my clothes against my skin too much.

But why do so many teenage girls do things like spend an hour dressing up and applying make-up before seeing friends? In fact why bother with the make-up at all?

Also, why did I get bullied for not conforming to fashion? Why should people have to conform?

I follow it enough to try and blend in, I will refuse to wear things I think look stupid though. I tend to wear classic things that last for years and suit me. I follow rules about what will go together and match colours.

I think [hour of make-up] is to feel better about themselves because they look better on the outside. It is to do with social bonding and feeling people fit together in a group. I usually do as little as I can get away with but some beauty things take a long time. They may also like doing it and it is a bit of an event if you have to prepare for it beforehand and maybe builds up excitement.

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23 Aug 2011, 5:21 am

I'm not a big fan of current fashions, but I do have some interest in old fashions, especially from around the 1770-1950 period. Personally, I tend to dress in a slightly 1920s-30s way.

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23 Aug 2011, 5:23 am

Sparhawke wrote:

Is this a female only zone?

My brother is into fashion so long as it includes a ridiculously tight tee-shirt so he can show off his muscles and flame tattoo that he acquired when when he had even less imagination than usual, however I do not give a damn about it for the most part.

I would much rather wear some craghoppers, a good sweater and boots as well as a fleece jacket, I am all about practicality at the end of the day...and since I live in the hills it is generally raining anyway so at least i do not look too out of place.

Some people do wander around this town endlessly in tracksuits though and I find that choice idiotic, one time the local bully was whining about being cold one day...I don't think he appreciated it when I told him that was probably because he was too stupid to have any foresight and realise it generally gets colder the longer the day lasts.

I understand practical clothes, not fashion.

In the US track suits are reminiscent of sleazy aging mobsters. I've never been able to understand why they are so popular in the UK.

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23 Aug 2011, 7:07 am

abc123 wrote:

SteelMaiden wrote:

Rules are meant to be broken, especially when it comes to fashion.

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23 Aug 2011, 8:54 am

I don't care about fashion. I just wear whatever's most comfortable. I'm interested in the history of fashion, though. The weird things people wore!

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23 Aug 2011, 9:45 am

Fashion is kind of my obsession, so I think I need to point out the there is a major difference between fashion and style. We all know what fashion is defined as by now (if you've read the previous posts), but style is all about how you interpret clothing and dress yourself. It has nothing to do with media, other people's opinions or even what is selling in stores. Fashion "style" is all about you, whether you dress for comfort, or differently etc.

Most "fashionable" people have no idea about style. They just dress how designers and the media tell them to dress.

I have to know about and understand fashion as a part of my career, but I can honestly say that I think most of what people wear that is "trendy" is hideous. The girls in my class are fashionable and they make me shudder. So does all the caked on make up. I don't care about trends or fashion per se, but I do love being stylish. I tend to wear a lot of vintage and vintage-inspired clothing because it suits me far better than anything that's in vogue now. I get a stared at a lot. I also get asked out a lot (who knew that men were attracted to women who wear classic clothing rather than mini-dresses?? Or am I just not being fair to the gender . . .)

Anyway, just felt like saying that a discussion over "fashion" seems pointless. Style is all that counts, and that comes from within you.

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23 Aug 2011, 3:10 pm

Someone's style is normal. The fashion industry is just strange.

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