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Christopherwillson
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03 Nov 2011, 2:37 pm

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I am an aspie and will be a CEO(leader) in a few weeks, i'm still 17 and an aspie so people think it's impossible but i feel like aspies are better leaders then others, we are perfectionists in what we do and are like the quiet, calm genius in the place. don't doubt yourself, you'll be great.
What makes you think you can speak for others? Although I doubt you're a calm, quiet genius to begin with, with all your stims and awkward posture, nobody listens to a logical leader. People listen to a charismatic leader. And Aspies aren't charismatic. QED.

Your whole message doesn't make any sense so if you're here on WrongPlanet to be like that i'll advice you to just leave.
I also never spoke in the place of someone else btw ;-)


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03 Nov 2011, 2:55 pm

Yeah, I probably should've made it more idiot-friendly. You keep saying "we", so you assume all autistics are the same as you. Very arrogant. Very naive of you.



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03 Nov 2011, 3:00 pm

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Yeah, I probably should've made it more idiot-friendly. You keep saying "we", so you assume all autistics are the same as you. Very arrogant. Very naive of you.

Well what i defined was what WE mostly are so i don't get your point.


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03 Nov 2011, 4:23 pm

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What makes you think you can speak for others? Although I doubt you're a calm, quiet genius to begin with, with all your stims and awkward posture, nobody listens to a logical leader. People listen to a charismatic leader. And Aspies aren't charismatic. QED.


Hmmm, this seems to depend on the company. Bill Gates is obviously not that charismatic but yet he did really rule, but that was in a industry that was logical/autistic 'friendly' to begin with (Back in his day, anyways). For most other industries which depend on more less "Logical"/"Technical" kind of workers, this might be the case and it might be a reason why I might never succeed in leading a general industry company. I was thinking about finding an NT partner who would do the management/supervising, but there are risks with putting too much power within one person's hands.

So, now I'm thinking about... what would the ideal company's employee structure be like for an aspie leader? Would we have the leadership be "half autistic/half neurotypical" who are more likely to respond to logic and yet could relate to and direct NTs on the workforce and then the salesman/customer service people would be NTs?

And, I don't know, it'd be interesting to think about. I've been thinking about using something like the AQ test to test for "neurotypical" levels to help select the employees that'd most likely lead to success, but I don't know if this is fairy tale thinking or what -- maybe aspie leadership can only truly succeed in technical/scientific/financial/analytical/etc. industries and the rest naturally favors NTs? (NTs are the most competitive and thus dominant in every other industry.)



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03 Nov 2011, 4:26 pm

swbluto wrote:
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What makes you think you can speak for others? Although I doubt you're a calm, quiet genius to begin with, with all your stims and awkward posture, nobody listens to a logical leader. People listen to a charismatic leader. And Aspies aren't charismatic. QED.


Hmmm, this seems to depend on the company. Bill Gates is obviously not that charismatic but yet he did really rule, but that was in a industry that was logical/autistic 'friendly' to begin with (Back in his day, anyways). For most other industries which depend on more less "Logical"/"Technical" kind of workers, this might be the case and it might be a reason why I might never succeed in leading a general industry company. I was thinking about finding an NT partner who would do the management/supervising, but there are risks with putting too much power within one person's hands.

So, now I'm thinking about... what would the ideal company's employee structure be like for an aspie leader? Would we have the leadership be "half autistic/half neurotypical" who are more likely to respond to logic and yet could relate to and direct NTs on the workforce and then the salesman/customer service people would be NTs?

And, I don't know, it'd be interesting to think about. I've been thinking about using something like the AQ test to test for "neurotypical" levels to help select the employees that'd most likely lead to success, but I don't know if this is fairy tale thinking or what -- maybe aspie leadership can only truly succeed in technical/scientific/financial/analytical/etc. industries and the rest naturally favors NTs? (NTs are the most competitive and thus dominant in every other industry.)

If you are exited about what you wanna achieve with your business there would be nothing to stop you, it just needs proper training and some time.


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04 Nov 2011, 5:12 am

I've studied leadership and there is a general agreement in literature that emotional intelligence is the most important factor in "leading" others. Almost every theory in leadership suggest that interpersonal skills is pretty crucial.

Also I think autistics have bad executive functioning which affects things like cognitive flexibility, solving problems and the like.

So statistically, no autistics and leadership do not go together but there are exceptions.



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04 Nov 2011, 5:17 am

Also there is an article by Daniel Goleman on "what makes a leader" that was a key reading in my leadership course. He concluded that emotional intelligence was the most important.



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04 Nov 2011, 12:26 pm

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Also there is an article by Daniel Goleman on "what makes a leader" that was a key reading in my leadership course. He concluded that emotional intelligence was the most important.


Daniel Goleman is an author who has been promoting his idea of "Emotional Intelligence" as being more relevant than most other forms of intelligence in various areas of life (Specifically, his magnum opus is titled "Emotional Intelligence: Why it can matter more than IQ", which is an attack on the "IQ establishment" and purposely appeals to the anti-IQ sentiments in the population.), so that's pretty expected he'd promote that.

It doesn't mean he's wrong, however. Just, I wouldn't expect him to say otherwise.



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04 Nov 2011, 12:36 pm

No. Autistic people cannot be a leader.

An Autistic person could be though.

Sorry, I have a smart-ass streak going today.


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04 Nov 2011, 3:13 pm

swbluto wrote:
melanieeee wrote:
Also there is an article by Daniel Goleman on "what makes a leader" that was a key reading in my leadership course. He concluded that emotional intelligence was the most important.


Daniel Goleman is an author who has been promoting his idea of "Emotional Intelligence" as being more relevant than most other forms of intelligence in various areas of life (Specifically, his magnum opus is titled "Emotional Intelligence: Why it can matter more than IQ", which is an attack on the "IQ establishment" and purposely appeals to the anti-IQ sentiments in the population.), so that's pretty expected he'd promote that.

It doesn't mean he's wrong, however. Just, I wouldn't expect him to say otherwise.


that is true. Let me copy and paste something I wrote in my not-so-well written essay

Emotional intelligence as described by Goleman (1998) can be identified in practically all types of theories in leadership. If leadership were to be defined as a set of traits, extroversion and neuroticism, which has been shown to correlate with emotional intelligence, are known to be correlated with leadership (Stankov, 1999; Judge, Buno, Ilies & Gerhart, 2002). If one were to view leadership as a set of skills, ‘human skills’ was the only skill noted to be ideally high in all levels of management (Katz, 1995). Style approach has also acknowledged that relationship behaviour is also correlated with leadership as mentioned in the Ohio and Michigan Studies (cited in Northouse, 2010). More contemporary theories such as transformational leadership also identify with emotional intelligence through the need for charisma and being attentive to the needs of followers (Bass & Avolio, 1994). However, Goleman’s idea of emotional intelligence highlights the fact that emotional intelligence is multi-disciplinary. Thus, it is unclear the extent to which deficits in one aspect of emotional intelligence affects one’s ability to be a leader altogether.