Sometimes I think it's the NTs that have a problem, not us.

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16 Sep 2006, 1:43 pm

Remnant wrote:
I would like to be able to evaluate NT behavior truthfully without sounding like I'm condemning most of humanity.


It sounds like that's exactly what you're doing though. You're pointing out problems that humanity has and presuming it's due to NTs or at least failing to show an association between the problems of humanity and NTs. More and more, there seems to be this leap of logic:

NTs make up most of humanity and a lot of people have negative traits, therefore NTs are the root of the problem.

That's not sound logic and as has been pointed out, just sounds really prejudiced.

I realize a lot of us on this site have been picked on and we feel isolated and different. I think this thread represents an unhealthy response to those issues. It's like we're trying to drag others down in order to feel better about ourselves. We should be proud of who we are but that doesn't require putting other people down.



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16 Sep 2006, 1:58 pm

Dalebert wrote:
Remnant wrote:
I think this thread represents an unhealthy response to those issues. It's like we're trying to drag others down in order to feel better about ourselves.


That is often power game used mostly by NT and politicians, it often works well. Sometimes NTs really do suck ass.



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16 Sep 2006, 4:47 pm

There is a military/political term called "fighting the war in white gloves". It's something Israel had to do with Hezbollah (please don't flame me for using this example). Just because Israel is a fully democratic nation (with its own set of problems), it had to be liberal toward a group of barbarians that wanted nothing but its destruction. Face it, that was not a fair war.

We're dealing with the same thing. We're better than NTs is a sense that we don't need to have small talk, bully people weaker than us, buy into dumb social trends, or be manipulative solely for our own personal gain. But that doesn't mean that we should also be held responsible for being "tolerant and understanding" toward NTs. They don't do that for us, why should we? Like Israel, we're misunderstood by the world at large, yet we have to be sympathetic toward NTs who enjoy seeing us suffer. Now is that fair?



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16 Sep 2006, 7:54 pm

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I can't believe it's considered "typical" to be immature, ignorant, and superficial, and to have really bland "hobbies".


Sucks, doesn't it? :(

They get angry if you point it out, but it's still true.

Learn of them, so you may manipulate them to your advantage. One, it is nothing more than they do to each other, and two... it's not like most NT's are good for much else.



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17 Sep 2006, 5:34 am

I say we all find some mind games to play with them to drive them insane.

Hey, if in their right mind, they bully, feel the need to do all the groups and all the other ********, then I don't see the benefits of having them in their right mind.



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17 Sep 2006, 4:51 pm

Their "right mind" certainly doesn't seem like much.

There is a difference between being prejudiced and responding to information that comes from observation and historical data. I'm not saying that most people are incapable of learning but willful ignorance is very common. Many are conditioned so that they look normal and act pretty much normal but they accept a lot of external direction that causes some of their acts to be insane, violent, and degrading.

We forget that when a group of rednecks tortures and murders a black man for fun, while they are degrading him they are degrading themselves and their society. The degradation is even worse when this is done to reinforce religious conceptions. When they do it to "geeks" they degrade everyone involved, too. There are also the people who just stand and let it by. There is also the sorting process by which brighter minds are forced to suffer to render them useless.



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18 Sep 2006, 1:38 pm

Remnant wrote:
Their "right mind" certainly doesn't seem like much.

There is a difference between being prejudiced and responding to information that comes from observation and historical data. I'm not saying that most people are incapable of learning but willful ignorance is very common. Many are conditioned so that they look normal and act pretty much normal but they accept a lot of external direction that causes some of their acts to be insane, violent, and degrading.

We forget that when a group of rednecks tortures and murders a black man for fun, while they are degrading him they are degrading themselves and their society. The degradation is even worse when this is done to reinforce religious conceptions. When they do it to "geeks" they degrade everyone involved, too. There are also the people who just stand and let it by. There is also the sorting process by which brighter minds are forced to suffer to render them useless.

Well, preduiced literally means to judge someone before their trial. pre-judge. Their right minds not seeming like much is precisely why I want to drive them insane. They're no good to me sane (or at least what passes for sane in the NT world), at the minute.



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19 Sep 2006, 1:40 am

Let me try to put this into words...

Consider human nature. Have you ever honestly seen human nature unbridled... seen it for what it really is? The first day you do, you will recoil in disgust.... walking in their minds will make you feel like you should wash your own out with a flamethrower.

Even then, you'll still feel unclean for a time.

People are by nature an admixture of relentless self-interest, hatred, and greed. This is human nature. I used to think it was the result of environment, but it isn't. What of environment, you might ask? The only thing one's early environment really seems to do is define which people and groups are to be hated.

People have to cloak it most of the time. They have to lie to others, cloaking their true nature and intents, in order to be accepted by society.

This deception does not just involve other people, they generally lie to themselves as well. To help reinforce this social control - this bulwark against anarchy and sociopathy - people are raised to judge their worth on the standard of whether or not they are a "good person". Unfortunately, they're not good people... and deep down, they know it. Because of this, people who have internalized the "good person" standard (the overwhelming majority of people) must engage in epic levels of self-deception.

Do you honestly imagine they are psychologically solid? They are not. There are almost always cracks in the mask they present to self/others, and underneath it lurks the horrid reality.

And when they anger you, insert a wedge into a convenient crack and start prying.

The psychological dissonance it causes can rise to amazing levels, and needless to say they do not find it pleasant.

When you have had absolutely all of the bs you can stand out of this particular human, their "right minds" are certainly useful... for entertainment. :twisted:



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19 Sep 2006, 1:48 am

And no, before anyone asks, I have no illusions of myself being a "good person". I'm no more "good" than a forest fire is good. Those like me are perhaps necessary for the overall functioning of things.... but we're not, strictly speaking, good. Heh.



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19 Sep 2006, 5:03 am

Hazelwudi wrote:
And no, before anyone asks, I have no illusions of myself being a "good person". I'm no more "good" than a forest fire is good. Those like me are perhaps necessary for the overall functioning of things.... but we're not, strictly speaking, good. Heh.


Then again, the line between good and evil is burned. Fire is a killer but sometimes what's left behind can grow better than the generation before...if given the chance.



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19 Sep 2006, 12:45 pm

sigholdaccountlost wrote:
Then again, the line between good and evil is burned. Fire is a killer but sometimes what's left behind can grow better than the generation before...if given the chance.


Precisely... and because of that, it's difficult to put a definitive moral label on fire. :)