22 Dec 2011, 7:37 am
22 Dec 2011, 9:02 am
I have had psychic experiences but i have no trust in my brain 
22 Dec 2011, 10:06 am
22 Dec 2011, 10:10 am
whitemissacacia wrote:
I can predict the future.
Banal things, though. However, whatever I dream from Thursday to Friday comes true. Normally silly things, such as my friend wearing a pink top to class, or me meeting a stranger in a black suit when coming back from uni, or seeing a red car with plate numer 2543 at my doorstep.
It gives me the creeps, though.
Go on, laugh.
Banal things, though. However, whatever I dream from Thursday to Friday comes true. Normally silly things, such as my friend wearing a pink top to class, or me meeting a stranger in a black suit when coming back from uni, or seeing a red car with plate numer 2543 at my doorstep.
It gives me the creeps, though.
Go on, laugh.
Lol... what a sh***y ability.
I have experienced significant once in my life, when I was a child. I don't know the age. At the time I used to share a room with my brother. I woke up that night, or maybe I couldn't get to sleep in the first place. At some point I looked over at my brother. Our beds were parallel. I could see something standing over my brother at the far side of the room (there was a gap between our beds, and then another gap between his and the wall). It looked like it had the shape of a man.. it was just a dark shape/silhouette of one. The room was about as dark as it could get, but the shape was darker still.
It freaked me out, and I turned to face the other way to try and ignore it. Possibly hiding my head under the sheets
. At any rate I felt as though it was right there behind me, looking at me. I looked back a few times and it wasn't going away. Eventually it looked as though it was right in my face, like it had moved over to my bed. I kept telling myself I was just imagining it at the time, even though it felt so real. Eventually I decided f**k it, I'll run to the door, switch the light on and see if there's something genuinely there. There wasn't, of course.
The whole thing was most likely some trick of the light. My visual system recognising something that in fact was not there in the first place. I think I saw the 'thing' again for a couple of nights after that. I could just ignore it now that I was convinced it was nothing. I also remember sometime later I would have weird, recurring dreams involving the shape of it. I even mentioned to a friend at school, and he told me he had seen something like it too (what a dick, trying to mess with my head
).
I really wish it was a ghost or something. I used to try and call it out again when I was feeling brave. But it's just a trick. Everything you guys see is all in your head.
Oh, I also used to think I could see auras or something around people. Pretty sure it's just a sensitivity to light, and I'm sure other people have experienced the same.
@FNORD: what does seeing ghosts and random s**t like that have to do with sleuthing out your mysterious box?
PS: Is there nothing in the box?
22 Dec 2011, 11:15 am
22 Dec 2011, 1:33 pm
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22 Dec 2011, 2:04 pm
WhiteWidow wrote:
I've had a few out of body expeirences, and I see orbs every now and then. The orb will quickly disappear once I spot it however.
@seekingtruth
Holy smokes
@seekingtruth
Holy smokes
^that I'm crazy or I have a lot on my hands with my son?
I can take either answer, I have a great sense of humor. lol.
So, I guess I've not considered he may have another diagnosis on top of Asperger's, Sensory Integration Disorder and Anxiety disorder with OCD. But I'm pretty sure it's very rare for Schizophhenia and other like disorders to be present in such a young child, or am I wrong? None of the doc's have considered them, but then again I've only told his main doc. once about the way he acts like he sees spirits and when I did I could see she wasn't going there so I've dropped it. Although it's a pretty good explanation for why he has so much anxiety when they were scratching their heads at how a kid so young had such high anxiety.
22 Dec 2011, 3:45 pm
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22 Dec 2011, 7:30 pm
Fnord wrote:
Dilbert wrote:
Reality is whatever your brain is telling you to. Can we all agree on that point?
No.
Reality is that which still exists after you stop believing in it, when you stop noticing it, or when you die.
Reality is absolute; only our perceptions of reality vary.
Reality and perception are not the same thing.
I agree with statement 3. Science provides evidence for that.
However if statement three is correct, statement 2 is questionable, and statement 1 does not seem logical per statement 2.
If reality is absolute, only our perceptions of reality vary; and reality and perception are not the same thing, then we never experience reality, instead only experiencing an approximation of it that varies per our perceptions of it.
If one is conscious one cannot escape their perception of their own approximation of reality
Perceptions approximate reality whether or not one believes in reality, so reality is approximated regardless of whether or not one believes in it or not, so I don't see how the part of statement 1 can be logical, that "reality is that which still exists after you stop believing in it", per statement 2.
I'm not sure what you mean by "when one stops noticing reality", if by that you mean when one loses conscious awareness I would agree it is logical per statement 2, but as long as one is consciously aware, one still approximates reality through perception.
So if by "when one stops noticing reality" you mean not paying attention to it, that part of statement 1 would also not be logical per statement 2, because one approximates reality through perception regardless of whether or not they are paying attention to it
And finally, if reality and perception is not the same thing in statement 3, no human being or animal can observe reality, per statement 2, so the idea that the reality that exists beyond animal or human perception is absolute, is only testable as an approximation of that reality, limited by our perception and/or the cultural byproducts that we use to test the idea that reality is absolute.
So at most, the idea that reality is absolute per statement 2, is a human construct, that cannot be proven as absolute fact, because it can only be tested and measured on a limited basis, because of the known limits of human perception and cultural by products that aid humans to test and measure the human construct that reality is absolute.
On the other hand the same known human limitations in perception and cultural by products that aid us in our perception of reality, prevent humans from proving reality is not absolute.
Furthermore, since we cannot prove that reality is an absolute construct, and only provide definitive evidence that reality and perception are not the same thing, the closest thing we understand to absolute fact about reality, is that each and every unique individual lives a different perception of reality.
If one were to remove the statement reality is absolute from statement 2 and just leave the phrase "Our perceptions of reality vary", statement 1 and statement 3 would not be necessary because they are synonymous statements based on the statement "our perceptions of reality vary".
And also, Dilbert's statement that reality is whatever you brain is telling you to, is actually based on science, because current science suggests that one's perception of reality is determined by one's brain, before one is consciously aware of that perception of reality.
One's conscious awareness of one's experiences of reality influences future perceptions of reality, determined by one's brain, that one will become consciously aware of in the future immediately after they are determined by one's brain.
This is the cognitive science behind the idea that each unique individual's reality varies. No one has the same brain or the same experiences that mold each unique individual's perception of reality.
From the perspective of cognitive science, neuroplasticity is the foundation of one's unique perception of reality, influenced by every unique perception of one's environment and every unique experience that one has.
So, based on this research, not only is every individual's reality unique, each second of each individuals reality is different and unique.
All that said, it's no wonder that each individual has their own unique perceptions of the human construct of psychic phenomenon, and/or religious experience. No one lives the same perception of reality.
Per cognitive science, experiences and perceptions could exist for one person experiencing psychic and religious phenomenon and not exist for another, just as with other experience or perceptions in life.
This phenomenon can potentially be understood better through cognitive science than physics, when one talks about experiences and perceptions related to the human constructs of psychic and religious phenomenon, because, currently there is no reliable measurement of it through physics.
And in addition, with all that said, no, I still don't know what's in the box
, I believe that's within the realm of physics, not cognitive science, or phenomenon related to the human construct of psi phemenon, better known as anamalous cognition in cognitive science, that some cognitive scientists believe has been reliably demonstrated through research.
Phenomenon which some individuals experience in their unique approximation of reality, and others appear not to.
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22 Dec 2011, 10:17 pm
23 Dec 2011, 3:39 pm
Fnord wrote:
Anecdotal correlations are not empirically evidential. However, I'm open-minded enough that a good, solid demonstration of psychic ability or paranormal phenomena would convince me. So I'm reminding everyone who reads this of my "What's In The Box?" challenge.
Simply put, I have selected three ordinary material objects, a container to put them in, and a location to place the container at. Using any psychic ability or paranormal talent, tell me where the container is, what the container looks like, and what the objects are inside the container.
You may use telepathy to read my mind, precognition to predict what the information will be when I check to see that everything is the way I left it, or a spirit guide to tell you what it knows, et cetera. You may also use tarot cards, crystal balls, Ouija boards, or whatever other paranormal focus you need to perform the task.
The only limiting conditions I have are:
1) The descriptions must be exact. For example, if your description states that "The container is red", and the container turns out to be an origami box folded from a newspaper page, you can not claim that you actually meant that "The container is read".
2) I will not give hints, nor will I tell anyone how close they are or whether they are "Hot", "Warm" or "Cold". This isn't a guessing game. You tell me what you know, and I will tell you when you are correct on all counts of objects, container, and location - partial answers will not be acknowledged.
3) You must respond via Private Message (PM). I will not acknowledge public posts, as eventually someone might determine the correct answers by process of elimination ... after several hundred or so incorrect posts, of course, but I'm trying to eliminate rote guesswork.
So far, no one has correctly identified the location, the container, or the objects. Even when I've physically brought the challengers into the same room, they have not been able to determine the correct container; and when I have placed the container into the challengers' hands, they have not been able to identify the contents. Note that I have been in the same room with the challengers, and have even made physical contact with them, and yet they have not been able to make a correct determinations, leaving me to further doubt their claims of psychic or paranormal ability.
Of course, if people are more interested in being believed than in actually providing an evidential demonstration, then they should not bother with the Challenge. For those people, making baseless claims and composing verbose "Word Salads" is the sum total of their "evidence", and I'm not interested in being caught up in any more convoluted speculations on the philosophical meaning of Reality. Nor am I interested in challenges to my sanity, intellect, integrity, or any other personal attribute - Ad Hominem fallacies are irrelevant to the Challenge. Excuses are also irrelevant, so don't bother posting them, either.
Finally, in the past, I've offered a cash incentive for this challenge. The economy being what it is, I've had to withdraw this incentive. In light of past performances, however, maybe I should re-institute the incentive ... what do you all think?
Enjoy!
Simply put, I have selected three ordinary material objects, a container to put them in, and a location to place the container at. Using any psychic ability or paranormal talent, tell me where the container is, what the container looks like, and what the objects are inside the container.
You may use telepathy to read my mind, precognition to predict what the information will be when I check to see that everything is the way I left it, or a spirit guide to tell you what it knows, et cetera. You may also use tarot cards, crystal balls, Ouija boards, or whatever other paranormal focus you need to perform the task.
The only limiting conditions I have are:
1) The descriptions must be exact. For example, if your description states that "The container is red", and the container turns out to be an origami box folded from a newspaper page, you can not claim that you actually meant that "The container is read".
2) I will not give hints, nor will I tell anyone how close they are or whether they are "Hot", "Warm" or "Cold". This isn't a guessing game. You tell me what you know, and I will tell you when you are correct on all counts of objects, container, and location - partial answers will not be acknowledged.
3) You must respond via Private Message (PM). I will not acknowledge public posts, as eventually someone might determine the correct answers by process of elimination ... after several hundred or so incorrect posts, of course, but I'm trying to eliminate rote guesswork.
So far, no one has correctly identified the location, the container, or the objects. Even when I've physically brought the challengers into the same room, they have not been able to determine the correct container; and when I have placed the container into the challengers' hands, they have not been able to identify the contents. Note that I have been in the same room with the challengers, and have even made physical contact with them, and yet they have not been able to make a correct determinations, leaving me to further doubt their claims of psychic or paranormal ability.
Of course, if people are more interested in being believed than in actually providing an evidential demonstration, then they should not bother with the Challenge. For those people, making baseless claims and composing verbose "Word Salads" is the sum total of their "evidence", and I'm not interested in being caught up in any more convoluted speculations on the philosophical meaning of Reality. Nor am I interested in challenges to my sanity, intellect, integrity, or any other personal attribute - Ad Hominem fallacies are irrelevant to the Challenge. Excuses are also irrelevant, so don't bother posting them, either.
Finally, in the past, I've offered a cash incentive for this challenge. The economy being what it is, I've had to withdraw this incentive. In light of past performances, however, maybe I should re-institute the incentive ... what do you all think?
Enjoy!
I think you've put a dildo in a grey card box with metalic rims on the lid and placed it by an old, bar pipe radiator that is on and is set at about 21 degrees. The walls are decorated with a red and silver wallpaper and there are two windows with wooden frames that criss cross in the middle. The carpet is also red and the room is small (about 10 feet by 12 feet) and there is a desk with a wooden chair but the desk is just a table with no draws but its used as a desk. Your neighbour is called Jean and she calls often with boring gossip that you don't want to hear. I can also detect a.......sorry its gone...damn
23 Dec 2011, 8:35 pm
Fnord wrote:
Anecdotal correlations are not empirically evidential. However, I'm open-minded enough that a good, solid demonstration of psychic ability or paranormal phenomena would convince me. So I'm reminding everyone who reads this of my "What's In The Box?" challenge.
Simply put, I have selected three ordinary material objects, a container to put them in, and a location to place the container at. Using any psychic ability or paranormal talent, tell me where the container is, what the container looks like, and what the objects are inside the container.
You may use telepathy to read my mind, precognition to predict what the information will be when I check to see that everything is the way I left it, or a spirit guide to tell you what it knows, et cetera. You may also use tarot cards, crystal balls, Ouija boards, or whatever other paranormal focus you need to perform the task.
The only limiting conditions I have are:
1) The descriptions must be exact. For example, if your description states that "The container is red", and the container turns out to be an origami box folded from a newspaper page, you can not claim that you actually meant that "The container is read".
2) I will not give hints, nor will I tell anyone how close they are or whether they are "Hot", "Warm" or "Cold". This isn't a guessing game. You tell me what you know, and I will tell you when you are correct on all counts of objects, container, and location - partial answers will not be acknowledged.
3) You must respond via Private Message (PM). I will not acknowledge public posts, as eventually someone might determine the correct answers by process of elimination ... after several hundred or so incorrect posts, of course, but I'm trying to eliminate rote guesswork.
So far, no one has correctly identified the location, the container, or the objects. Even when I've physically brought the challengers into the same room, they have not been able to determine the correct container; and when I have placed the container into the challengers' hands, they have not been able to identify the contents. Note that I have been in the same room with the challengers, and have even made physical contact with them, and yet they have not been able to make a correct determinations, leaving me to further doubt their claims of psychic or paranormal ability.
Of course, if people are more interested in being believed than in actually providing an evidential demonstration, then they should not bother with the Challenge. For those people, making baseless claims and composing verbose "Word Salads" is the sum total of their "evidence", and I'm not interested in being caught up in any more convoluted speculations on the philosophical meaning of Reality. Nor am I interested in challenges to my sanity, intellect, integrity, or any other personal attribute - Ad Hominem fallacies are irrelevant to the Challenge. Excuses are also irrelevant, so don't bother posting them, either.
Finally, in the past, I've offered a cash incentive for this challenge. The economy being what it is, I've had to withdraw this incentive. In light of past performances, however, maybe I should re-institute the incentive ... what do you all think?
Enjoy!
Simply put, I have selected three ordinary material objects, a container to put them in, and a location to place the container at. Using any psychic ability or paranormal talent, tell me where the container is, what the container looks like, and what the objects are inside the container.
You may use telepathy to read my mind, precognition to predict what the information will be when I check to see that everything is the way I left it, or a spirit guide to tell you what it knows, et cetera. You may also use tarot cards, crystal balls, Ouija boards, or whatever other paranormal focus you need to perform the task.
The only limiting conditions I have are:
1) The descriptions must be exact. For example, if your description states that "The container is red", and the container turns out to be an origami box folded from a newspaper page, you can not claim that you actually meant that "The container is read".
2) I will not give hints, nor will I tell anyone how close they are or whether they are "Hot", "Warm" or "Cold". This isn't a guessing game. You tell me what you know, and I will tell you when you are correct on all counts of objects, container, and location - partial answers will not be acknowledged.
3) You must respond via Private Message (PM). I will not acknowledge public posts, as eventually someone might determine the correct answers by process of elimination ... after several hundred or so incorrect posts, of course, but I'm trying to eliminate rote guesswork.
So far, no one has correctly identified the location, the container, or the objects. Even when I've physically brought the challengers into the same room, they have not been able to determine the correct container; and when I have placed the container into the challengers' hands, they have not been able to identify the contents. Note that I have been in the same room with the challengers, and have even made physical contact with them, and yet they have not been able to make a correct determinations, leaving me to further doubt their claims of psychic or paranormal ability.
Of course, if people are more interested in being believed than in actually providing an evidential demonstration, then they should not bother with the Challenge. For those people, making baseless claims and composing verbose "Word Salads" is the sum total of their "evidence", and I'm not interested in being caught up in any more convoluted speculations on the philosophical meaning of Reality. Nor am I interested in challenges to my sanity, intellect, integrity, or any other personal attribute - Ad Hominem fallacies are irrelevant to the Challenge. Excuses are also irrelevant, so don't bother posting them, either.
Finally, in the past, I've offered a cash incentive for this challenge. The economy being what it is, I've had to withdraw this incentive. In light of past performances, however, maybe I should re-institute the incentive ... what do you all think?
Enjoy!
I love your whats in the box idea. simply brilliant. I am going to make my own version of this.
Incidentally I am not as hostile to the idea of spirituality as you seem to be, though i am by no means say you should change. However my spirituality has its place. I have no desire to convince anyone of that which is outside of scientific demonstration.
The purpose of spirituality is the strength drawn of it by the spiritualist. Of coarse the vast majority of people do not think in this light. . . . . i was find myself being so vague because i start having ideas that are too big but i know it isnt the place for them . . .
well anyway the box concept is totally awesome. I think i will make one now.
23 Dec 2011, 8:38 pm
