STOP THE SEGREGATION, A CALL TO ARMS

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Snake's gonna be pissed.

Dumping another bucket of dirt on my own theory here, I just realized that while I have the characteristic aspie limitation of having no idea of how the person I'm talking to is responding, I can recognize charismatic people the same as anyone. I tend to be skeptical of them, because I know that scumbags can be charismatic and get away with a lot because of it, but I experience the same emotional response to them that other people do.

I think there's something completely different going on here. I don't know what it is.

Could be that there are kinds of nonverbal communication that autistic people typically miss, and kinds that we don't necessarily miss, and that it's the kind that we miss that gets noticed. Similar pattern could exist expressively.

Also, some autistic people can read more standard nonverbal communication as long as they're not the one directly involved in the interaction, or else can understand it but only after a long delay (kind of like lag on the net).

Temple Grandin writes about how she can understand tone of voice, but if she does, then she can't understand the words, so she concentrates on the words instead. So for a lot of autistic people it could be more that they can only interpret one thing at once, rather than just an inability to interpret voice tone/body language/etc.

Note that if I do have any kind of charisma, it's not whatever kind makes you... known for your great NT-style social skills or something. I still constantly experience all the typical gaffes and so forth, and so do all the autistic people I can think of that are perceived as charismatic.

And, yeah, the ability to perceive charisma would point at that being perceiving some kind of nonverbal or implied communication, even if you're not perceiving, say, someone's emotional state while you're talking to them.

Why are we even discussing this. It is such a stupid idea.

Don't forget that charisma is not only an innate quality to some people, it can also be because of what that person has done/achieved/etc. I'm pretty sure Hitler would appear more charismatic once he's the leader of your country, than when he's just giving speeches in beer halls.

It's not the only thing, but I guess one quality that always goes hand in hand with charisma is confidence.

Fighting segregation with segregation... that makes sense. (Sarcasm)

And a whole community of only Aspies who already have problems with stubborness and a frequent unwillingness to cooperate??? For some reason, this idea is striking me as unrealistic...

Not to mention, do you realize the capital you'd have to have to buy an island???

To be honest, I wouldn't want an island of only autistics because, to be frank, the autistics I've met IRL I've wanted to literally shoot within an hour or so of meeting them. So often we have such strong personalities that we irk each other like you wouldn't believe.

Just because we're "autistic" doesn't mean we'd all get along. And getting along online can be totally different than IRL.

I know your not gonna listen because your self-loathing uber libs, but I never said all NTs are bad. Stop putting words in my mouth. I don't have any clue how many f---ing times I have to say this your gonna keep putting words in my mouth so you can make me out to be a bad guy. Truth is anyone with a disability or what is considered to be a disability by the majority will be silently discriminated, isolated, and marginalized, because we're seen as "omegas". As for plans on getting the nation started, I'm only 1 person I can't do everything myself. But there are others working on it, go to the site, we're planning it all out. Even down to creating our own language. And yeah, NTs are allowed, if theyr with an aspie or they help our cause in some significant fashion.
Where would America be if we were too p**** to stand up to brittain because "we might offend their culture" or because we wanted to avoid "us vs. them" mentality? Where would that have gotten anyone? Native Americans and Jews would both be extinct, America would be ruled by the brittish, Australia would still be a prison continent. There comes a point and time to nut up and take a stand, if not for yourself than for future generations, for your children. And if your too scared to do that then you truely are one sad individual.
No, this isn't gonna come together over night. It's gonna take time, possibly generations. But, one way to look at it is like this, NTs run the rest of the world, so why can't we have atleast 1 place to call ours? Er, was it "reverse prejudice" when the jews established the nation of Israel? I have no pateince for self loathing cowards.

I think the concept of an island is too expensive. Why not get a 100 year lease for
a parcel of land in West Africa?

I got the point when you computer screen activists over at AFF flamed me out...Honestly I don't even care anymore I am tired of life so the hell with it all... I'm just gonna go on a drug binge until I'm gone....... No matter what I say people twist my words and make me to be some kind of monster. I've spent my whole f*****g life being spat on and degrated.... And what do I have to look forward to? Growing old with my dick in my hand living from check to check working at pizza hut, only to pass away and lay dead for several weeks before someone notices? Good thing I'm gonna be cremated because it's cost the funeral company to hire people to carry my casket if I didn't.

*fears that somewhere the creators of Minoriteam are mining snake321 for ideas to push their contradictory philosophies*

I think what our psychotic friend is trying to say is that all cultures tend to want to band together with others that share their views and can understand them.

We see this with the voluntary segregation of cities in the US where the people of various cultural backgrounds congregate (chinatown in LA, etc).

We may not all get along but no society is perfect and at least we'd understand where each other is coming from and have more in common with each other than with the NTs we tolerate daily.

I dont think it would be very difficult.

To say we're all annoying to each other in RL only shows how little contact you've had with others.

Sure we all share a common "abnormal" way of thinking but we are still individuals with seperate and incredibly varied personalities.

Beware of generalizations and assumptions.

You should also keep in mind all our lives we've been learning to interact with NTs so we never learned how to deal with each other.. its only natural that at first there would be trouble.

Please don't say we. You can't speak for the people that are not crazy like yourself.

Hmm...if you're really serious about trying to organize a seperate nation, maybe you should actually organize a physical group of revolutionaries rather than posting in all-caps on a forum that anybody (including FBI snoops) can eavesdrop on?

I'm already contemplating suicide as it is, please just everyone leave me the f**k alone.

I agree that there are problems that come about when people are used to interacting with NTs, and then try to apply those rules to other autistic people.

Actually, though, I have met a lot of autistic people, and what I've seen... is the potential for a lot of better communication and better relationships. But there's also the potential for a whole lot of other things.

I live in a building with (coincidentally in two, deliberately in one) three other auties. I am good friends with one and very glad to live near her. Another one, I just don't have a lot in common with. Another one, is overloading to me (but not particularly annoying, just very exhausting and very words-words-words in communication style).

Among auties I get along with some, don't get along with others. There is definitely a potential for good stuff -- very good stuff, I think all autistic people need at least exposure to other autsitic people -- but autistic people are also prone to most the screwed-up stuff non-autistic people are prone to and some other screwed-up stuff of our own and that stuff happens as well.

I like the idea of having a lot of exposure to autistic people, I don't know that I'd live in an all-autistic town or island. The lot of exposure, means more chance of meeting some of the ones I really click with, but of course clicking like that is not going to happen with everyone.