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08 Jan 2012, 12:21 pm

I've been told something similar by someone before. I said, ''I am on the Autism spectrum and I also have Dyspraxia'', and they said, ''oh no you haven't got that - you have to have different facial and body features to have that'', and I said, ''no, you're thinking of Down's Syndrome'', but they wouldn't have it.

I'd say there's an insult and a compliment thrown in there. The insult is ''OK you must just think I'm weird then'' and the compliment is ''well at least I'm average-looking and nothing on me looks physically obvious''.


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08 Jan 2012, 12:32 pm

I think people confuse autism with Down Syndrome. https://www.google.com/search?q=down+sy ... 80&bih=673

Down Syndrome has facial characteristics which are very distinct and different from NT people and us with Autism & Asperger's. When anyone brings up the "look" of autism, I usually find out that this person thinks Autism & Down Syndrome is the same thing, which of course is about like saying that a grapefruit and a grape are the same thing.

Even the far end of the Autism spectrum has no facial characteristics, other than the loss of "NT" eye contact, etc.

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08 Jan 2012, 12:44 pm

kx250rider wrote:
I think people confuse autism with Down Syndrome. https://www.google.com/search?q=down+sy ... 80&bih=673

Down Syndrome has facial characteristics which are very distinct and different from NT people and us with Autism & Asperger's. When anyone brings up the "look" of autism, I usually find out that this person thinks Autism & Down Syndrome is the same thing, which of course is about like saying that a grapefruit and a grape are the same thing.

Even the far end of the Autism spectrum has no facial characteristics, other than the loss of "NT" eye contact, etc.

Charles


That is 100 percent true, but apparently some people here can't seem to get the message.


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08 Jan 2012, 3:32 pm

Or maybe they can't filter themselves to a clear picture.



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08 Jan 2012, 4:25 pm

Pfft yeah some aspies(or perhaps autistics) do look just alittle bit different. But the majority looks perfectly normal. I look handsome...or so ive been told.



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08 Jan 2012, 4:38 pm

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This is what someone said to me after I told them about my condition. I wish I'd never told them. They claim that all autists are ugly or look like ret*ds... That's ridiculous, it's a mental condition not a genetic one. The fact that most autists are ugly to that person has nothing to do with them being autistic, it's just because the majority of humans are ugly or average. What do you think?


autism is genetic… :wink:


but it has not much to do with being ugly or not per sé.

personally i think that a lot of the people on this forum are very attractive! not to speak of most of the girls and woman who had the courage to post their pictures… (and i can only speak of my personal taste!)

so just let this person keep his idiotic ideas for himself… and let him stay away from al the beautiful aspies and auties! then there is one less to compete with! :lol:



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08 Jan 2012, 4:39 pm

OldFashioned wrote:
This is what someone said to me after I told them about my condition. I wish I'd never told them. They claim that all autists are ugly or look like ret*ds... That's ridiculous, it's a mental condition not a genetic one. The fact that most autists are ugly to that person has nothing to do with them being autistic, it's just because the majority of humans are ugly or average. What do you think?

The people I see are either average or ugly and if they are women, they wear tons of makeup to offset it. They have over inflated opinions of themselves, too. People are rarely as attractive as they think they are.



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08 Jan 2012, 7:41 pm

I tend to think there is something too that, we are used to seeing people embracing the conventional style and we would probably not find someone beautiful quite so attractive if they suddenly showed up wearing an outfit from a completely different historical period or culture. Now I am so used to seeing women in those low waistline hip hugger Britanny Spears look jeans that when I look at otherwise hot chicks in photos from the early 90s wearing high rise jeans it just looks all wrong. People with AS are more likely to be non conformists or be oblivious to fashion and could very well not appear as attractive as they would be if they let some Hollywood wardrobe experts dress them in the latest styles. I myself have recently figured this out and when I went in to buy a suit, let the old gay guy who ran the place choose the color and style for me. With my instincts, up to my own, I might have very well come out of the place wearing a Zoot Suite. I'm sure he knows better than I do what normal people want to see me in.

Don't forget too, that ret*ds and people in crazy houses all get basic, low maintenance military style haircuts from the staff. I doubt they get Versace wardrobes as well. There was a cheapskate at a place I worked whose wife just buzzed most of his hair off at home to save money, all the people remarked how he had a "mental institution" haircut.



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08 Jan 2012, 8:08 pm

Ganondox wrote:
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Some people who look "ret*d" actually have above normal intelligence so you can't ever judge a book by its cover.


Like Steven Hawkenings, who looks like he has a severe palsy, but is a little bit more than "above normal intelligence".
Is that the guy who talks like a robot?



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08 Jan 2012, 9:53 pm

SyphonFilter wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
marshall wrote:
Some people who look "ret*d" actually have above normal intelligence so you can't ever judge a book by its cover.


Like Steven Hawkenings, who looks like he has a severe palsy, but is a little bit more than "above normal intelligence".
Is that the guy who talks like a robot?


He can't talk, he has a machine talk for him. He is the guy in the wheel chair who talks about theoretical physics.


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09 Jan 2012, 1:20 am

eh where did they get those facts from?

we look like anyone else, we look human for god sake. i know some illnesses cause outward feature changes but not all. that's a stereotype obviously.

the only thing that really stands out is eye contact for us. we avoid eye contact. but that's part of the mental area.

if i start going werewolf or something then they can freak out. but yeah we look like anyone else.

and i agree beauty is in the eye of the beholder.


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09 Jan 2012, 6:01 am

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I suspect it's the vacant or blank expression of really severe autistics, the kind who don't even notice that there's another human in the room, much less focus on them or smile, that he's maybe seen in photographs and perceived as ugly.


No the person was implying deformity or extreme facial ugliness.


This persons idea wasn't unjustified

Many people with LFA the type this person was probably most knowledgeable about) have a secondary mental retardation, and many forms of mental retardation like Downs Syndrome have a physical anamoly.

I doubt this person even knew that, but it wasn't entirely untrue, autistics are a bit more likely to have facial anamolies due to retardation.


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11 Jan 2012, 7:55 am

I don't know of any facial characteristics that people with ASD/AS have. I don't think there are any.

The only thing I can think of that might be identifying would be that in many of the pictures I've seen of boys with classic autism the boys appear to be overweight, not hugely obese, just chunky, and they have a short buzz cut.

Then again, I've seen more than my share of NT kids who were exactly the same. Up until they were about 12 or 13 I used to buzz my boys hair at home, and my oldest was overweight at that age. So, it's not exactly an identifying thing.

Maybe the OP's friend had just seen several people who also had something else going on as well as AS/ASD.


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11 Jan 2012, 11:14 am

OliveOilMom wrote:
I don't know of any facial characteristics that people with ASD/AS have. I don't think there are any.

The only thing I can think of that might be identifying would be that in many of the pictures I've seen of boys with classic autism the boys appear to be overweight, not hugely obese, just chunky, and they have a short buzz cut.

Then again, I've seen more than my share of NT kids who were exactly the same. Up until they were about 12 or 13 I used to buzz my boys hair at home, and my oldest was overweight at that age. So, it's not exactly an identifying thing.

Maybe the OP's friend had just seen several people who also had something else going on as well as AS/ASD.


Of all the autistic people I know, only the lower functioning ones were even slightly chubby, all the more aspie ones, including myself, are extremely thin.


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11 Jan 2012, 1:07 pm

OldFashioned wrote:
This is what someone said to me after I told them about my condition. I wish I'd never told them. They claim that all autists are ugly or look like ret*ds... That's ridiculous, it's a mental condition not a genetic one. The fact that most autists are ugly to that person has nothing to do with them being autistic, it's just because the majority of humans are ugly or average. What do you think?



Anyone who would say such an ignorant thing is insecure themselves, probably compensating for something :D



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11 Jan 2012, 8:45 pm

I think it's not our faces that make NT's think we are ugly but simply the way that we move them because awkward = ugly to many NT's.