[ Rant ] Why Obsess About Dead People?

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-Skeksis-
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25 Nov 2011, 11:46 pm

Fnord wrote:

-Skeksis- wrote:

Recognizing AS traits in self or others doesn't indicate anyone has it. A person needs to be able to distinguish between traits identical to AS and other possibilities.

I agree 100%. Thanks for your support!

No problem.

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25 Nov 2011, 11:54 pm

Staz wrote:

Kail wrote:

Can someone please enlighten me on why MODS and OPS are verboten to speak of?

I have experiences of harassment, and when you stand up for yourself, you get to witness abusive power,

If I am correct this post, will be deleted, can someone please be my witness.

If it gets deleted it will be because it has nothing to do with the thread you're in. You're wasting people's time here by saying that somewhere it shouldn't be said.

are you wizard?

FNORD ALREADY MADE IT CLEAR, JUST DON'T READ IT!

IS IT THAT HARD? HOW MANY POSTS ARE A WASTE OF TIME THAT GO UNDELETED?

I MENTION MODS AND FLAGS POP UP EVERYWHERE.

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25 Nov 2011, 11:56 pm

Fnord wrote:

Kail,

If you have an issue with any of the mods, then it is best to take up the issue with them, and not try to enlist support from other members in an unrelated thread..

As for me, I believe that your apology to me is sincere, and that you are essentially a good person.

Fnord

They only respond when I mention, MODS ARE ABUSING THERE POWER

WATCH THE CONTEXT PEOPLE!

(LOL essentially is the key word

- jk... but kinda serious)

Sorry, FNORD

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26 Nov 2011, 12:03 am

Kail, the PM correspondence we've just been having has nothing to do with the sequence or content of messages appearing in this thread or any other. I responded to your last PM because I received an alert telling me it had arrived.
The messaging system is entirely separate from the forum posting system.

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26 Nov 2011, 12:26 am

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Actually, I'm on a mission.

And I'm sorry but I have no idea what that paragraph means...

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26 Nov 2011, 2:11 am

Kail wrote:

OliveOilMom wrote:

We didn't mean that in a come on kinda way. We were just supporting your posts. And the ideas behind them which we both probably got but didn't work into a topic.

I meant that in a fun kinda way.

I'm explaining too much, aren't I?
I only said this because you mentioned your wife and I know that one of the things I do to signal others when they are getting too "close" is to mention my husband.

God, I overanalyze everything don't I?

Thats OK.

Frances

Your supporting someone who is bashing other people? - that doesn't make sense.

It makes sense, all right. Do you think Fnord is the only one here who believes that obsessing over whether [insert dead famous person's name here] is pointless? There are three stances on this matter. You think that obsessing over dead people serves a purpose (stance one), or that obsessing over dead people is pointless (stance two) or don't care enough either way but want to watch the topic play out (stance three).

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26 Nov 2011, 2:37 am

SyphonFilter wrote:

Kail wrote:

OliveOilMom wrote:

Your supporting someone who is bashing other people? - that doesn't make sense.

Read the other stuff. And I'm done with wrong planet, so cool beans. Stay gold errrrr body!

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26 Nov 2011, 10:30 am

Kail wrote:

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I don't think he's bashing the people, I think he's bashing the idea of speculating on whether or not some famous person had AS. Kind of like claiming them or something. Not that the people who do that are always trying to claim them, but sometimes they might be or it may come cross that way. I'm assuming that was what he was talking about. Not the people who do it, but the idea of it.

Frances

Your supporting someone who is bashing other people? - that doesn't make sense.

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26 Nov 2011, 3:33 pm

aspie48 wrote:

maybe needing self affirmation after diagnosis is just a phase people go through before they really find what AS is all about.

I haven't experienced this. My heroes are for other reasons and not a speculated link with them.

Fnord wrote:

I get my affirmation from my accomplishments, both at work and at home, and NOT through making unfounded assumptions about dead people.

^ This. Absolutely. My self-affirmation comes from my own accomplishments as well.

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26 Nov 2011, 3:43 pm

Steve Jobs said something like, "When you die, you belong to the world". I think that's why people worship and infinitely respect the dead, while they trash the living. You don't have to deal with dead people, dead people can't make any more mistakes, so people are free to re-invent them in whatever way they please.

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26 Nov 2011, 5:08 pm

Fnord wrote:

I get my affirmation from my accomplishments, both at work and at home, and NOT through making unfounded assumptions about dead people.

I realize this may not be the same for others, and I hope that they may eventually feel as "affirmed" as I do.

No thanks, I'd rather know which famous people were aspergian, rather than be a dumb ostrich with my head in the sand, thanks

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26 Nov 2011, 7:41 pm

Surfman wrote:

Fnord wrote:

I get my affirmation from my accomplishments, both at work and at home, and NOT through making unfounded assumptions about dead people. I realize this may not be the same for others, and I hope that they may eventually feel as "affirmed" as I do.

No thanks, I'd rather know which famous people were aspergian, rather than be a dumb ostrich with my head in the sand, thanks

But you will never know for certain without an official diagnosis by a trained and licensed mental-health professional who has personally examined the famous person while that famous person was still alive. Anything else is pure conjecture, and therefore meaningless.

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27 Nov 2011, 7:48 pm

Fnord wrote:

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No thanks, I'd rather know which famous people were aspergian, rather than be a dumb ostrich with my head in the sand, thanks

Nobody has anything to say to this?

No one had anything to say about a person needing to be able to distinguish between traits identical to AS and other possibilities either.

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27 Nov 2011, 8:47 pm

I think I included enough "Weasel Words" in my statement to leave it as a proposition, rather than a cold statement of fact - They are in bold below.

Fnord wrote:

In my opinion, it may be part of what seems to be The Great Denial, where some who self-diagnose may fear an official diagnosis because it may force them to face the idea of being "Normal" and not part of what seems to be the more fashionable "Asperger's In-Crowd". So to "save face" they are then forced to deny even the possibility that their entirely subjective self-diagnoses may be wrong.

Okay, so finances, opportunity, and other factors may work against getting an official diagnosis. But barring these, all that seems to be left are the following:

- Fear of not being part of the "Aspie In-Crowd"
- Fear of actually being a perfectly normal human being ("... and you know what stinkers they can be!" Link to Source of Quote)
- Fear of actually having something more serious and equally incurable, and having to face an alleged "stigma" because of it
- Fear of having to admit being wrong to everyone about having AS, and having to face their contempt because of it

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27 Nov 2011, 8:53 pm

Fnord wrote:

-Skeksis- wrote:

No one had anything to say about a person needing to be able to distinguish between traits identical to AS and other possibilities either.

In my opinion, it may be part of what seems to be The Great Denial, where some who self-diagnose may fear an official diagnosis because it may force them to face the idea of being "Normal" and not part of what seems to be the more fashionable "Asperger's In-Crowd", so then they are forced to deny even the possibility that their entirely subjective self-diagnoses may be wrong.

But I could be wrong...

... not.

I was scared when I got my official diagnosis that it'd come back with me being NT not an Aspie. But it wasn't because of it being wanting to be part of the 'in-crowd' but because to me it was saying either I was autistic or I was just a broken NT. I didn't want to be a broken NT and that's what coming back not autistic would tell me (at this that was my logic as to why I was scared). Being told that I should be able to do things and didn't have a good reason not to was something I was hugely afraid of.

So there are at least some reasons other than wanting to be part of the Asperger's In-Crowd for people to be scared of the diagnosis process. I'm not actually sure if there's anyone who does that, but its not everyone at the very least.

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27 Nov 2011, 9:38 pm

Fnord wrote:

In my opinion, it may be part of what seems to be The Great Denial, where some who self-diagnose may fear an official diagnosis because it may force them to face the idea of being "Normal" and not part of what seems to be the more fashionable "Asperger's In-Crowd". So to "save face" they are then forced to deny even the possibility that their entirely subjective self-diagnoses may be wrong.

But I could be wrong...

... not.

I'm pretty sure you likely are. People don't get official diagnoses once they determine they might be autistic because:

* They can't afford the diagnosis
* They may be able to afford it, but can't find someone who diagnoses adults
* They may be able to afford it, but don't see the point in seeking a diagnosis.

I do think that anxiety about being wrong is reasonable, and doesn't suggest that anyone's self-assessment is wrong. It's pretty natural. I had the same feelings Tuttle did - I didn't want to hear that I wasn't autistic as nothing would make sense in light of such an assessment. But my anxiety was, as it often is, groundless.

I do not see the point of continually saying negative things about people who don't have an official diagnosis. Anyone who comes here likely is here because they're trying to understand themselves, whether they have an official diagnosis or not. Why try to mark those who don't have a diagnosis as somehow socially inferior? Why try to reinforce the idea that there really is an Aspergian "in-crowd?"

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