My son is seeing things! Please HELP!
10 Dec 2011, 12:17 am
Yes, I'm a young father, just turned 26, 24 when we had him. I'm just very overwhelmed with everything. Now he has to get an EEG to rule out seizures or what not.
He hasn't been scared for a few days now, it's like all of a sudden it stopped. But, with my anxiety I'm just waiting for it to happen again. I recently called his pediatrician and they agreed that he should get an EEG done, I guess that's where they put the things on his head and scan his brain waves and what not. I guess my doctor wants to rule out seizures as to what may be causing his "trance" like problem where he gets very scared.
10 Dec 2011, 1:40 am
I would take these paranormal findings with about 20,000 tons of salt since the people who conducted the study are probably biased, but there is still a small possibility that there is something in your house.
Regardless of anything paranormal, you need to tell your child's doctors about this. He may have serious problems that cause hallucinations, as others have suggested. Your first reaction should have been to call the doctors, not the Paranormal Society. The Paranormal Society should be a last resort.
As a person who is helping raise a young child, I think that your son seems really advanced. He knows all his ABCs? Can he recognize them on his own? My mom says my Neurotypical brother (the young child I'm helping raise) is a genius, but he didn't have his ABCs memorized until he was probably about 3.5. This shows that you don't need to worry so much.
Also, I understand your concerns about your son having a normal life, but they are misplaced. Your son will always be autistic, but as a person on the Autism Spectrum, I can tell you that this is not a bad thing at all. I don't need to live a normal life; I'm perfectly happy with skipping a grade, publishing a book at age twelve, going to college (and taking honors classes) a year early, helping raise a beautiful child, and rising above my struggles. Autism will not destroy your child's life. Even completely nonverbal autistic people are able to make great contributions to the world, and I hope this will show you that it is your society that considers the different ways of thinking that come with autism to be a disability, and that your society is not the final arbiter of what is and isn't DISability:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnylM1hI2jc
Your child will have his struggles, and at times autism does make things harder, but remember this: many experts say that High Functioning Autism Spectrum Disorders are responsible for most of today's technology. There are a lot of great thinkers who are now considered to have had Autism Spectrum Disorders, such as Charles Darwin, Lewis Carroll, Jonothan Swift, Motzart, Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein, and Gregor Mendel. As long as you do everything you can to raise your child into a great person, including pushing him out of his comfort zone at times but not pushing him too far, you've got nothing to worry about.
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I never said he watched those shows, I've watched them briefly. He has never seen any of it or else I wouldn't even be talking about "paranormal". I know that the paranormal aspect sounds crazy but I'm willing to try anything and everything. The last thing I want is for my son to be hopped up on 20 differnet medicines. I did call his pediatcian and told them about these "terryifing" episdoes he was having. He wants my son to have an EEG to check and see if sezuires are the cause. So we are going the doctor route too.
About the ABC's. I bought him a a bucket of ABC's for the bathtub yesterday, there great for bath play. Anyways he will pick out each letter and will say the letter with out me prompting him too. He will then follow it by saying an animal sound for that letter. Example; he grabs the E and says "EEEEEE" then makes the elephant noise or says elephant. He cant put all the letter in order fro A-Z yet, some of them he can.
By the way, thanks for the support, your words have helped.
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10 Dec 2011, 9:26 am
I cannot recall the name of the person who said this but are you serious? Who told you this? And that you actually phrased it as if it was a well considered fact; it's the height of "X is an autistic because I liked him and he was smart".
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13 Dec 2011, 1:16 pm
I think that's what an EEG is, too, where they measure the electrical activity of the brain. Now, it's probably going to be normal (which is good!) unless he happens to get scared right there in the pediatrician's office. If it feels right, you might want to ask the doctor if he or she'd like to look at a two-minute snippet of the video (and even 30 seconds is a long time to be really scared, terrified)
It might be, possibly, that your son has what they used to call a petit mal seizure.
CDC, Epilepsy, last updated Aug. 1, 2011.
http://www.cdc.gov/epilepsy/basics/first_aid.htm
"First Aid for Seizures
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Here are a few things you can do to help someone who is having a seizure that appears as blank staring, loss of awareness, and/or involuntary blinking, chewing, or other facial movements.
•Stay calm and speak reassuringly.
•Guide him away from dangers.
•Block access to hazards, but don’t restrain the person.
•If he is agitated, stay a distance away, but close enough to protect him until full awareness has returned.
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PS Hey, that's pretty cool that your son is learning his letters, and it sounds like he likes animals, too.
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13 Dec 2011, 4:25 pm
I cannot recall the name of the person who said this but are you serious? Who told you this? And that you actually phrased it as if it was a well considered fact; it's the height of "X is an autistic because I liked him and he was smart".
Yes, very valid point. We like the person (and/or he or she was famous) and therefore we're going to say they were on the spectrum. I think of it as the early stages of a movement for inclusion and equal rights. And just like, maybe back in the 70s, gay rights activists claimed people from history, people like Alexander the Great, Leonardo da Vinci, Walt Whitman, Virginia Woolf. But then, later on, most people knew a gay or lesbian person at work or at school or at church, so claiming famous people was no longer really necessary.
I hope acceptable and appreciation of people on the Asperger's / Autism Spectrum will be the next Civil Rights struggle.
Gay, lesbian, bisexual might be the previous struggle (still some work to be done). Full inclusion of persons who are transgendered may be the current struggle. And I hope we are the next one.
The right to be different, the right to be ourselves, even in ways which count. And a person on the autism spectrum is not better, not worse, just different, and has a lot to contribute.
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PS When I have tried to "come out" and tell people I'm self-diagnosed on the spectrum, I have generally not had particularly good results, like less than 50%. A number of people think it's just weird or think I'm not "really" on the spectrum.
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13 Dec 2011, 4:56 pm
Does anyone ever hear anything like this, this is getting extremely scary of everyone here. Tonight he was taking his bath, which he usually loves, he always has a blast. Out of nowhere he started getting scared and looking up at the corner of the bathroom. He started crying and wanted to get out of the bath tub. We decided to move his crib into a smaller room away from his room, we had grandma stay with him tonight. He was fine at first then out of no where he took my mothers arm and put it over his face to cover his eyes. He then got under the blankets. About 5 minutes later he started to wimper and cry a little bit. So now it seems to be any room upstairs, not just his room anymore. I can't explain whats going on, his autism therapist don't seem to understand whats going on.
I don't know what to mention what I believe it is.... Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Brett
I don't know if he is seeing things, but he's afraid of some geometry or play of the light I think. I dunno.
13 Dec 2011, 5:56 pm
If you want to find out for sure if it's a ghost or not, you should try using a ouija board or picking up sounds with a tape recorder on your own. If you want to scare it, I'd suggest buying an electroshock weapon like a stun gun or or taser and setting it off in the air a few times. If you manage to shock the air where the ghost is, I think you can make it feel like it's burning to death, or maybe that just works if it has possessed someone and you shock the person. You could also contact a medium and try to reason with the ghost. Maybe it'd have some effect on it if you set off an EMP near your house, but it'd probably break all of your electronic appliances. You could also try using some really annoying high frequency noises or some blindingly bright lights. Be creative, you could scare the ghost away, you could annoy the crap out of it, or you might be able to find someway to force it out.
13 Dec 2011, 10:05 pm
Hi! I read your message. I'm catholic and I believe in the presence of spirits, namely evil ones, like demons. If I were you, I would keep in touch with a priest or try and see if the things your child is seeing are attached either to your house or to your son by making him stay at a relative's house and see if he keeps seeing those things while he stays there.
I'm telling you this because it has happened to me before. My dog kept barking at something invisible and even chased after it. I don't wanna scare you but if you have pets it would be best to get them out of there as soon as possible because evil spirits seem to prefer animals as their targets. My poor dog died a few months after the paranormal activity started. My family had to contact a priest to bless the house and keep in touch for a while. We kept praying and blessing the house until whatever harmed my dog finally seemed to live. Nothing that serious has happened since then.
This is my advice. If whatever your child is seeing makes him upset it'll be the best to be on your guard, both for the safety of your child and your own as well.
Good luck.
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22 Dec 2011, 4:18 pm
Jesus christ, this is so stupid. I'm sorry, but really.
2-year-olds have insane irrational fears. My 24-month-old daughter decided her lunch was slimy like a frog (I assume- she was screaming "frog!" and I think it was a texture thing, bc, frankly, it was slimy) and screamed and fought to get away like she was possessed.
She wasn't though, bc that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of.
Please, OP, don't give liars any more of your money and take a few second to read up on child development in both the NT and ASD kid. What you're talking about is normal in NT kids and *expected* in ASD kids- elevated sensory reactions make for even more terrifying responses.
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22 Dec 2011, 6:47 pm
We've been through it also. My son is 6 now. It started for him when he was 9 months old with him standing in his crib pointing to something standing behind me and screaming at the top of his lungs and making baby giberish in a frantic way.
We were told it was night terrors and I was "Really, he's awake when it's happening?" Never got any more answers from the docs. Had EEG done as well, all was normal with that.
It continued to happen and he would be terrified to be alone in any room and still to this day dislikes being alone in a room and absolutely not in a darkened room. One night I simply stood in his room and said "Who ever you are, even if you are friendly, do not come here at night, you are scaring him and that's not okay, he needs to sleep at night." I figured there was nothing to lose in trying that.
Believe it or not that helped, he could sleep at night after that.
He continued to 'see' someone or something and be afraid during the days. Often he would stop what he was doing and look up as if someone was entering the room but I couldn't see anything and he'd sit on my lap trembling. This went on from 1 year to three years old.
Around 2 he started telling me that the "Noisey Kids" wouldn't shut up and it was bothering him.
By age three he had three 'invisible' friends that he would talk to and play with. but it was different then the average invisible friend that kids have, he would respond and listen to them like they were really there and to him they were.
One day he got angry and turned around quickly to one of them and shouted "Auschwitz, Auschwitz, what's this Auschwitz you keep talking about?!"
Now he was three and I kept very careful control of what t.v. he was exposed to and he didn't go to daycare or anywhere without me due to his extreme seperation anxiety, so I know he didn't get that from anywhere, it came from his 'friend'.
He still has one that he plays with and talks to daily and that brings him comfort.
Often though, could happen in a resturant or anywhere, he will suddenly become frightened and say he's seen something like a head looking at him from under the table etc. He is frightened when that happens but we never have a problem in his room anymore, so he is sleeping well.
My child has Asperger's and sensory integrative disorder as well as anxiety disorder. His doc's have been confused as to how such a young child would have such bad anxiety (diagnosed when he was 3, suspected when he was 15 months) and i figure if you could see the things he see's wouldn't anxiety be a natural consequence?
Anyway, my son also seems to have a gift of reading my mind as he will suddenly start talking about a book I may be reading or answer a question I was only thinking or start asking questions about an email I was writing.
I don't really believe in ghosts, but I do believe our energy expands beyond our bodies and energy collects in many different ways and since my son is so extra sensitive to sounds, smells and other sensory input, why not be able to 'see' energy that we can't?
I guess I'm trying to let you know it's def. possible, it's happend and still is a part of our life, but it's not necessarily something to fear. Your anxiety will make his worse. He has extra sensory perception, your job now is to help him to understand that and let him know he'll be fine and that you understand and believe him.
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22 Dec 2011, 9:36 pm
Your son and I have a lot in common.
I'm going to try and word this carefully, because I don't want to start a debate on my first post, but, I see and sense things, too, and some of them scare me to pieces. I'm 30, I can't go running to my parents' room, and it DOES feel worse to be told there's nothing there.
He's a little young for some of the tricks I've learned, but there are some things you can try. The simplest, and one of the most effective in my own experience, involves incense. Choose one with a smell you all like, Devonshire is a good brand. Open an upstair or attic window just a crack, and starting in the lowest part of the house, walk around with the lit incense, gently blowing or fanning the smoke into every nook and cranny of the house. Have the whole family walk together while you do this. I don't know why it works, but it does, it's like the smoke chases the scary things away. You can reinforce this by telling him the scary things will run away from the smoke, and they'll leave out that window you opened.
(Be very careful what you hold it in while walking, you don't want to drop any embers or hot ash)
If you decide to try this, let me know how it worked.
22 Dec 2011, 9:56 pm
I really think I'm starting to lose my mind. My girlfriend and I watch a lot of TV, like Ghost Hunters, etc. as my girlfriend was always into it due to a past experience she had when she was younger, she doesn't like to talk about it. I feel like I'm crazy for saying this but I actually contacted a local paranormal group for help. There called the (Pittsburgh Paranormal Society). I'm not allowed to post the link here but If you Google it, it'll come right up. I am also going to call Children's Hospital today, that's that place that diagnosed him with PDD-NOS, where he had he meeting or whatever you want to call it. Anyways, none of his autism workers can explain to us what is going on, his TSS/case workers or whatever the abbreviation is? All they tell me is to make him fill comfortable, take some of his favorite toys up there so he fells better, pretty much things I already knew. My son is severely upset and it almost makes it worse when I try to say "It's OK buddy, no one is here" or "Your fine, daddy is here". When he sees these "things" nothing can help him except me holding him and covering his eyes, he will not let go of me.
I talked to the owner of PPS today, there coming out on Thursday I believe to try and help us, do some EVP's and maybe bless the house, see if they can get us some answers. I don't believe in this type of stuff and in my heart I don't think its paranormal. But the look on my sons face tonight scared me to DEATH! I video taped him for like 20 seconds because I wanted to show people what his emotions where about this. His face is was in utter horror, I can't even watch the video anymore it breaks my heart. It's especially hard because he can't tell me what he wants or what is bothering him. I mean he can say certain stuff but his vocabulary is not extensive I would say.
I did have my son sitting on a chair in our living room, he kept looking up the stairs out of the corner of his eye, again like something was looking back at him or something was up there. My girlfriend asked him "Tell mommy what you see up there" and "Can you tell me who is up there". It sounded like his reply was "Ghost". It wasn't clear but it really sounded like that. I know he could of got it from TV or what not but that is the first time I've heard him use that word or even get remotely close to saying it. Some I'm sitting here trying to put all these pieces together. Like he was never afraid to take a bath, it was his favorite thing to do, loved the water. All of a sudden tonight he saw something again and had to be taken out immediately. He is walking by the steps, from crossing from the dining room to the living room and he well hurry up and glance upstairs. It's hard to explain but as a father I know something is very wrong. I might not be able to describe that good, but were all upset and scared too. The owner of PPS will be coming out Thursday at 8PM like I said, he will be bring 3 people with him to assist him. He was telling me on the phone that children are very in-tuned with the paranormal and even more so for kids with autism whether it's mild or not. I don't know much about this, that's why I'm here. Also, it's kind of hard to tell others, especially doctors, that you think your son is seeing ghosts or unseen objects. Were at standstill with where we go from this? I can't keep switching him from room to room, praying to go that he wakes up one day not scared anymore or this "ghost" goes away. I forbid my son from being scared to sleep in his own room or feel uncomfortable being in his own house. Because he gets therapy here at the house 30 hours a week for his autism. I need him to feel safe here to he can get the help he needs.
I would really appreciate your help and comments, I'm open to any suggestions not matter how crazy it sounds. Please tell me any personal experience you have had or have heard from others.
Thank you so much guys!
Sincerely,
Brett
Has your son ever been present when you and your girlfriend watch Ghost Hunters ?
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That's kind of what I'm thinking too, could be exposure to something like that sparking his imagination and fears.
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22 Dec 2011, 9:56 pm
So what age does one have to be at to be mature? I know people twice or thrice my age that believe in things that I don't. I'm 25 too, around the age of the young dad.
There was research conducted that found brains are more likely to mature by the late 20's than early 20's. The brain never stops growing though. You don't ever reach a certain age when it stops, even when dementia sets in.
I think people need to relax a bit and not judge the dad so much for thinking something paranormal is happening (I'm not talking to the person I replied in particular) and he's scared and just wants to help his son. An EEG is a good start. I've been told temporal lobe epilepsy is hard to pick up on though - it may have to be a 48 hour EEG. Fear can play all sorts of tricks on us. I have some pretty paranoid fears because of my epilepsy, hyperacusis and sleep paralysis. Not to mention how predisposed autistic brains are to anxiety. Before all that I used to see shadows though, especially in cemetery's.
I find it interesting that some people believe in ghosts but not demons and vice versa. Ok, I probably believe in demons more.
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22 Dec 2011, 10:40 pm
My Mom told me about how when she was younger she visited a school where my Dad was teaching and was left to wait for a few minutes in the lunch room while he went to make some photocopies or something. All of sudden, she said, she felt something really frightening, and got really scared for no apparent reason. She found out after she and Dad had left the building that the school actually had a reputation for being haunted (she insists she had no idea before). In general at the place, when kids went out to the bathroom, they always wanted to have someone go with them, and doors apparently opened and closed themselves at times. The place had been built on top of a plowed over Indian burial ground, apparently, so if you do believe in such things, it does make sense that stuff could happen there if anywhere.
Personally, I don't think I've ever seen a ghost. I was really quite frightened by my Mom's big doll as a kid, that she used to have in the hallway, and also even after it was moved to her closet. I also remember being rather frightened of the room under the stairs, even though it was just a storage room. My Dad said he was scared of and thought was haunted as a kid a room upstairs in his old house, but I never noticed anything when we visited there as a kid. On the other hand, another area upstairs in his old house felt sort of like it had a presence, but it was actually comforting, so maybe it could be related.
Good that you are looking into the possibility of (temporal lobe) seizures. They seem to fit the descriptions you have given quite well. Temporal lobe seizures don't generally have the symptoms that you would expect from grand mal seizures (convulsions and such), however. See a description here: link
Continuing from the second page of that article, temporal lobe seizures can be caused by infections, and you mentioned that he had many ear infections, which were close to the brain. Some of the other causes may have been present, but I don't have data. Now, "if the electrical activity in many brain cells becomes abnormally synchronized, a convulsion or seizure may occur." Logically one might assume that if the same area as where he had symptoms also created unusual EMF activity that was picked up by the "ghost hunters'" equipment, this electrical/magnetic activity may also be throwing off his brain, as a pacemaker can be thrown of by a microwave. However, this last sentence is merely speculation.
As for the reversibility of the boy's communication issues, it seems reasonable that if the hearing issues were causing retardation of communication skills at an early age, they could be reversed now that hearing is (hopefully) returning. Think of Helen Keller, for instance; she was quite badly off and apparently quite wild before she was helped, and even though she didn't get her hearing or sight ever, she still learned to communicate and was even able to write a book later in life. I have read that picture cards are a good idea early on, where the kid will point at what he wants on a chart that has many of the possible options.
Just a random theory that I had -- maybe he is having synesthesia with the new sounds that he is hearing. If he wasn't used to sounds before, maybe he is seeing some of the new sounds instead of hearing them.
The "guardian spirit" thing sounds like a bunch of made-up stuff to me. (Check out this link for a quick discussion of the impact of TV ghost hunting on the general public: link.)
The ghost hunters could've been picking up on actual machinary EMF fields or high or low pitched sounds which your son could be sensitive to. You may want to check out his reactions to this sound generator's high pitched noises, out of curiosity. link Maybe his hearing is unusually good now after it not working for so long, and certain sounds could be triggering something.
Edit: Another random environmental trigger that might be missed could possibly be mold. That's a long shot, though.
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22 Dec 2011, 11:34 pm
I second this. Burning sage works well for this.
http://www.asunam.com/smudge_ceremony.html
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25 Dec 2011, 2:00 pm
As someone who lived with this kind of thing for many years as a pre teen, I would like to add my two cents.
Accommodate him. Allow him to be with you and not have to be away from folk and go to sleep.
let him sleep in a crib/bed in the room your in, watching tv or working. ...he'll soon adapt and sleep with the normal noise.
If possible allow him to sleep in the same room or in your bed, and no, you won't roll over on him and hurt suffocate him....this only applies if you are blood kin, for obvious reasons..
Let him be afraid but don't say there's nothing there to frighten him..... do the monster spray by all means, but don't get your hopes up.
Don't allow him to watch scary tv or games and if you play Dungeons and Dragons, don't around him....better yet, don't.
Spiritualism, necromancy, spells, demons and other supernatural stuff is taboo. It is never okay.
How do I know? I fought with demons some time ago....fortunately I was able to shake them off.
PM me for details as the subject, is not for here.
If you have or know of any item someone has given you or a family member in your home who is linked in any way with spiritualism, get rid of it. Again, I have personal experience in this matter.
He's a small child and in need of love and affection, things Aspies don't naturally develop or extend...for those of you literalizing....I'm talking generally here.
Soon he may change, and you need to not comment about how he was. I suffered exhausting nights with similar experiences and have never forgotten .
Rule : Never send a child to their room as punishment. A bedroom should be a place of security and comfort.
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BTW...The power of prayer when used correctly is very potent. Not only does it calm the person saying the prayer but the one being considered by the prayer. Remember Jesus' words..."No one comes to the father except though me". ..If you have a different faith, you could draw on that.
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