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ValentineWiggin
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06 Dec 2011, 2:02 am

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If males are DXed more than females, my highly unscientific observation is that boys are simply more likely to manifest behavior problems, especially physical aggressiveness. In general, children with behavior issues are going to be evaluated at a much higher rate than "good" children. I've noticed the same thing while looking into Tourette's and dyspraxia: children were more likely to be DXed with these conditions if they "acted out." People with these conditions, but without the behavior issues, tended to fly under the radar as "just weird" until they reached adulthood. I've noticed "good" Aspie boys seem to have the same difficultly getting DXed.

It's almost the same story with ADHD (hyperactive) verses ADHD (inattentive). ADHD-PI is said to occur more frequently in girls, but it hasn't been studied nearly as much as the former on account that ADHD-PI doesn't often come with "bad behavior."

Just sayin'.....


At my school, there were absolutely no referrals for anything that didn't stem from either:
obvious cognitive deficits
acting out aggressively toward one's self or others

Someone like me who excelled academically, yet had *NO* social interaction with others didn't have much thought about them at all-
the teacher was too busy dealing with 29 noisy other children, some of whom with behavioral problems.


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06 Dec 2011, 2:12 am

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constant use of metaphors, parables, and "figures of speech" in speech.


That's a sign of Aspergers? That certainly goes against the myth that Aspies are inarticulate and lack imagination.


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06 Dec 2011, 2:14 am

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Girls more typically present as Inattentive ADHD and it is a common comorbid in ASD. Your neighbor may have one or the other or both. There is no way to tell just from casual observation since the symptoms of both conditions overlap quite a bit.

You know we often read that ADD/ADHD/BD are common comorbids of the spectrum but I am not sure I buy that. I think that autism mimics those to some degree, or probably more accurately people who don't know the spectrum and don't know what they are talking about conflate all of these conditions out of ignorance and their very superficial similarities. To an untrained person the meltdowns of AS can look like the "crashes" of bipolar disorder or our lack of interest for normal social conventions and/or inability to grasp them can look like attention deficit.

For that matter, I am not even entirely convinced that real ADHD is an illness or disorder that must be corrected or medicated--same with bipolar disorder, to a certain degree.


There is a high degree of overlap and someone extremely experienced in dxing all of these conditions can see those differences fairly easily. I think it is fair to say that neurochemical imbalances are unique to every individual and that there may never be a cure all or treat all medication for any of these conditions. I also think it is unfair to discount all of these conditions unless you have some experience in them.

In my experience with my daughter, medicating her ADHD was one of the best things we could have ever done. Her ability to focus improved almost immediately and it made learning a much easier task for her. She is still just as AS as before - they say ADHD meds can 'make AS preservation worse'. What I see is that the ADHD is not longer competing with the AS and, at times, it definitely seemed as if she was struggling with herself - two very different dynamics pulling her in opposite directions. She isn't preservating more - she's probably preseverating as much as she would have been without the ADHD in the first place.

I'm not saying that doctors don't diagnose incorrectly because they absolutely do - but that doesn't invalidate the conditions they are getting wrong.



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06 Dec 2011, 4:07 am

I didn't have any "difficulty" getting diagnosed, if for no other reason than it wasn't what we were looking for in the first place.

I was often accused of "not following instructions" and I was all "WTF, I followed instructions".

I know maybe 2 or 3 women IRL who might qualify as mildly autistic.



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06 Dec 2011, 5:53 am

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Then again I do kinda feel like a guy with boobs so maybe that has something to do with it.



Ill bet thats not true if the part being felt were the boobs themselves...

I know, Im perpetually 12, but I cant resist sometimes


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06 Dec 2011, 11:37 am

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Then again I do kinda feel like a guy with boobs so maybe that has something to do with it.


This. I have a friend who's a male lesbian, and we were talking the other day about me being whatever the opposite is!


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06 Dec 2011, 4:57 pm

Yeah, I feel like a gay man in a woman's body!



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06 Dec 2011, 5:31 pm

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That's a sign of Aspergers? That certainly goes against the myth that Aspies are inarticulate and lack imagination.

Obviously it's a myth. I think we are some of the most creative people around. But, people assume we are stupid because we tend to take things literally, or more seriously than the speaker intended.


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06 Dec 2011, 5:39 pm

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There is a high degree of overlap and someone extremely experienced in dxing all of these conditions can see those differences fairly easily. I think it is fair to say that neurochemical imbalances are unique to every individual and that there may never be a cure all or treat all medication for any of these conditions. I also think it is unfair to discount all of these conditions unless you have some experience in them.

In my experience with my daughter, medicating her ADHD was one of the best things we could have ever done. Her ability to focus improved almost immediately and it made learning a much easier task for her. She is still just as AS as before - they say ADHD meds can 'make AS preservation worse'. What I see is that the ADHD is not longer competing with the AS and, at times, it definitely seemed as if she was struggling with herself - two very different dynamics pulling her in opposite directions. She isn't preservating more - she's probably preseverating as much as she would have been without the ADHD in the first place.

I'm not saying that doctors don't diagnose incorrectly because they absolutely do - but that doesn't invalidate the conditions they are getting wrong.

I'll put it this way. AS, and ADHD and oftentimes bipolar as well, are largely problems not inherently, but because we live in a capitalistic, corporate society. In order for us to make a living in the type of society we have structured for ourselves we need to put on a mask and conform to what the dominant culture of what the working world is--i.e. to live in a box, put on our suit, and do what we are told. In a more egalitarian society, one that values people and workers as individuals rather than just producers--like, say, much of western Europe, or on a kibbutz in Israel, these "conditions" would be a whole lot less problematic than they are in the United States. In fact, an enlightened CEO would know that people with Asperger's and bipolar are very disproportionately represented among the brightest, most talented, and most creative people on the planet.

The majority of people with AS and ADHD (whatever that is, there are conflicting definitions) are of at least normal intellect and able to do just about anything, and get rejected for jobs because they look and act a little differently. BD is in a separate category because some people with bipolar are so severely affected that they simply cannot function, or are a danger to themselves, without medication or psychiatric commitment. But many aren't--they just can't get a job because they are outside the social mainstream similarly to us.


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06 Dec 2011, 5:45 pm

ValentineWiggin wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Then again I do kinda feel like a guy with boobs so maybe that has something to do with it.


This. I have a friend who's a male lesbian, and we were talking the other day about me being whatever the opposite is!


Is that a heterosexual man with a female pysch?


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06 Dec 2011, 7:32 pm

Ganondox wrote:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Then again I do kinda feel like a guy with boobs so maybe that has something to do with it.


This. I have a friend who's a male lesbian, and we were talking the other day about me being whatever the opposite is!


Is that a heterosexual man with a female pysch?


I am a mostly heterosexual female who thinks a bit more like a guy.


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