My Theory of Asperger's and it's Root Cause

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Do you buy into this theory? (Read entire post before voting)
100% - Yes, I agree with you, that must be the root cause of Asperger's 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
75% - Most likely true, but there may be other causes as well. 17%  17%  [ 10 ]
50% - I am not sure, you may be right, or you may be wrong. 31%  31%  [ 18 ]
25% - There is some truth to what you are saying, but most likely it is something else. 50%  50%  [ 29 ]
Total votes : 58

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22 Apr 2015, 6:16 pm

I just wanted to say I love that you put your time into this theory. Very nice to think about it that way.

But I just want to add that I dont belive in lets say underdevelopement of that part of the brain. I think in that case that underdevelopment developed since small cases of this lack would be found to be great feautures for our survival and then it got more like that. What I mean is I believe things evolved after beeing needed. Not came from underdevelopment like an illness.

But most important, nice theory!



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22 Apr 2015, 6:29 pm

Are you responding to the original poster?

Or to someone else? Other folks posted theories of their own in this three page thread. Which theory are you talking about?

Also- I hope you are aware that this thread ended two years ago.



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22 Apr 2015, 8:26 pm

I suggest that you learn more about the brain. Creating theories can be fun, but when they're based on insufficient knowledge, they're worthless.



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23 Apr 2015, 2:58 am

The OP hypothesis has a few interesting points, but i don't "buy" it myself.
mainly becouse the brain 'areas' aren't as rigid as that idea suggests; people can live normal-ish lives with only their left hemisphere (or only the right one). brains rewire and remap themselves if need be.

I myself am more partial to the "rdos" theory, partially becouse it gives an explanation for why the social skills and non-verbal communication of me and my ASD friends work "normally" among each other, but are nearly non-existent among NTs, even to the point where me and my friends are able to have entire non-verbal communications at an NT birthday, with noone noticing.



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01 Jun 2016, 9:02 am

kojot wrote:
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Human beings have two brains. Two separate and distinct brains. Yes, that is right. We have not one, but two brains. Each hemisphere is in fact, a self contained brain in its own right. ...


I've stopped reading after this. This is total BS. Please learn about basic neurobiology.


The same could by said about you Dr. Kojot
https://youtu.be/wfYbgdo8e-8
So why don't you lighten up a bit.



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02 Jun 2016, 12:14 am

The poll is rigged, there is no 0% option. :P

This is the degree of credence I give this theory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Peek

So a complete separation bares similarities to autism, but it is NOT the same thing. So it very well might contribute to some cases of autism, but it's not autism in and of itself, and it's not necessarily necessary for autism.

Then there is split brain syndrome (actual know I guy with that, he has cerebral palsy and had surgery done to fix severe seizures), which doesn't resemble autism at all except in some very minor ways.

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Problem with that hypothesis is it's already been proven at least some people with autism have completely normal mirror neuron networks, they myth they were functioning vame because they just worked being triggered in the same situations: http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2010/05/ ... sis-autism The fact autistic people generally have normal affective empathy also goes against the mirror neuron hypothesis.


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02 Jun 2016, 1:22 am

I am quite certain that the so-called cause of A-S is more complex than mere Brain-Structure.
Take a computer-program, for example, that always Blue-Screens due to Memory-Leak Errors.
Speaking as a Computer-Expert, I can tell you for a fact, that it is not always the Hardware.
I know, from experience, that replacing the CPU (the brain of the computer) will not fix anything.

Two main possibilities can be determined from these errors. The Memory Modules or the Software.
The Memory Modules (RAM/DIMM/etc.) may be damaged/incompatible with the rest of the system.
Replacing said Memory Sticks with more compatible Modules that have ECC can resolve the problem.
The other issue may be simply in the programming (not the wiring) within the software itself.

Western-Culture Paradigms have this erroneous belief that the Brain is Solely a Generator of Thoughts.
Eastern-Culture Paradigms have this erroneous belief that the Brain is Solely a Receiver of Information.
The reality is that the Brain is actually both a generator and receiver of Thoughts/Information.
Additionally, I posted a copy of an article from yesterday, dispelling the Myth of Right/Left-Brain use.

viewtopic.php?t=319668

A handful of researchers find that environment has the biggest impact on an organism's development


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18 Mar 2017, 6:05 pm

A well constructed theory that is falsifiable, and who says you aren't a scientist. It sounded a lot like myself speaking, with the sense of humour derived from an obtuse view of the world, down to not having a degree yet being wickedly intelligent.

I don't necessarily wholly agree with your theory on the basis of gender differences in the size of the corpus collosum. In general population this structure is more developed in females than in males and so if autistic traits were a result of a smaller corpus collosum then the general male population would exhibit more autistic traits than females. On the other hand, if true, then it could explain the apparent higher diagnosis rate of HFA or Asperger's in males.

I too have had that flash of inspiration giving rise to an hypotheses of the root of Asperger's and autism, although I have viewed it more from a genetic / evolutionary perspective rather than the structural make up of the brain.

It goes like this:
The vast majority (around 95%) of the DNA unique to homo sapiens is from the subspecies h. sapiens sapiens, with the remaining 5% being contributed by h. sapiens neanderthalis. Fossil evidence shows that neanderthals were not only a more robust and stronger subspecies, but most likely more intelligent than their sapiens cousins. It has also been shown that Neanderthals lived in smaller social groups than h. sapiens sapiens and it has been suggested that this is because of the earlier maturation of Neanderthals resulting in a shorter period of passing on social skills to their young before maturity resulting in a lower level of cultural development. Of course those in larger, more socially organised groups gained ascendency over the less socially organised and the pure Neanderthals disappeared.

I speculate that Neanderthal's smaller social groups and reduced time period of social indoctrination could be due to a different mode of thought, coupled with a later development of language skills, that is, high functioning autism.

At least three periods of interbreeding with Neanderthals has been identified, once with Australian Aboriginals, twice with European populations and a third time with Asian populations. If ASD is a remnant of the Neanderthal mind then it would be expected to express most often in Asians, followed by Caucasians, then Aboriginals with a much lower occurrence in pure African populations.

The Neanderthal genes most obviously expressed in current humans are those involving lighter pigmentation of hair, skin and eyes.

This all came to me whilst I was trying to wrap my noggin around 6 dimensional geometries. This was making my brain hurt somewhat, when I considered that without an Aspie brain my head would probably be hurting a lot more.

So anyhow, I'm going back to working on my alternative to superstring theory and solving the mystery of existence.

I love my Aspie / Neanderthal mind and wouldn't want it any other way. We rock!



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18 Mar 2017, 6:25 pm

Upside down wrote:
A well constructed theory that is falsifiable, and who says you aren't a scientist. It sounded a lot like myself speaking, with the sense of humour derived from an obtuse view of the world, down to not having a degree yet being wickedly intelligent.

I don't necessarily wholly agree with your theory on the basis of gender differences in the size of the corpus collosum. In general population this structure is more developed in females than in males and so if autistic traits were a result of a smaller corpus collosum then the general male population would exhibit more autistic traits than females. On the other hand, if true, then it could explain the apparent higher diagnosis rate of HFA or Asperger's in males.

I too have had that flash of inspiration giving rise to an hypotheses of the root of Asperger's and autism, although I have viewed it more from a genetic / evolutionary perspective rather than the structural make up of the brain.

It goes like this:
The vast majority (around 95%) of the DNA unique to homo sapiens is from the subspecies h. sapiens sapiens, with the remaining 5% being contributed by h. sapiens neanderthalis. Fossil evidence shows that neanderthals were not only a more robust and stronger subspecies, but most likely more intelligent than their sapiens cousins. It has also been shown that Neanderthals lived in smaller social groups than h. sapiens sapiens and it has been suggested that this is because of the earlier maturation of Neanderthals resulting in a shorter period of passing on social skills to their young before maturity resulting in a lower level of cultural development. Of course those in larger, more socially organised groups gained ascendency over the less socially organised and the pure Neanderthals disappeared.

I speculate that Neanderthal's smaller social groups and reduced time period of social indoctrination could be due to a different mode of thought, coupled with a later development of language skills, that is, high functioning autism.

At least three periods of interbreeding with Neanderthals has been identified, once with Australian Aboriginals, twice with European populations and a third time with Asian populations. If ASD is a remnant of the Neanderthal mind then it would be expected to express most often in Asians, followed by Caucasians, then Aboriginals with a much lower occurrence in pure African populations.

The Neanderthal genes most obviously expressed in current humans are those involving lighter pigmentation of hair, skin and eyes.

This all came to me whilst I was trying to wrap my noggin around 6 dimensional geometries. This was making my brain hurt somewhat, when I considered that without an Aspie brain my head would probably be hurting a lot more.

So anyhow, I'm going back to working on my alternative to superstring theory and solving the mystery of existence.

I love my Aspie / Neanderthal mind and wouldn't want it any other way. We rock!


You're reinventing the wheel in this post.

Other folks have hit upon the same "Neanderthal theory" for the origin of autism/aspergers.

In fact it was kinda en vogue for a couple years on the Net before dying out a couple of years ago.

Neanderthals were a seperate branch of the family tree that thrived in Ice Age Europe. But then anatomical moderns invaded Europe from the east (from central Asia, but ultimately from Africa), and drove the Neanderthals to extinction within a few thousand years. But not with out doing some interbreeding with neanderthals. So modern non african humans today usually have around 2 percent Neanderthal DNA, while modern Africans have zero percent. Neanderthals lived in smaller social groups, and were also worse at social networking (they had less extensive trade routes than even stone age anatomical moderns did). So their normal behavior may have been more "autistic" than that of anatomical moderns. Ergo autism is a genetic legacy of the Neanderthals. Trouble is autism seems to be just as common among modern Africans as among any other race when the medical resources are there to ferret out autism. Interesting, but I think that its a rather dubious theory. But at the moment it cant really be either proven nor disproven. But you arent the first to think of it.



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18 Mar 2017, 6:53 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
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A well constructed theory that is falsifiable, and who says you aren't a scientist. It sounded a lot like myself speaking, with the sense of humour derived from an obtuse view of the world, down to not having a degree yet being wickedly intelligent.

I don't necessarily wholly agree with your theory on the basis of gender differences in the size of the corpus collosum. In general population this structure is more developed in females than in males and so if autistic traits were a result of a smaller corpus collosum then the general male population would exhibit more autistic traits than females. On the other hand, if true, then it could explain the apparent higher diagnosis rate of HFA or Asperger's in males.

I too have had that flash of inspiration giving rise to an hypotheses of the root of Asperger's and autism, although I have viewed it more from a genetic / evolutionary perspective rather than the structural make up of the brain.

It goes like this:
The vast majority (around 95%) of the DNA unique to homo sapiens is from the subspecies h. sapiens sapiens, with the remaining 5% being contributed by h. sapiens neanderthalis. Fossil evidence shows that neanderthals were not only a more robust and stronger subspecies, but most likely more intelligent than their sapiens cousins. It has also been shown that Neanderthals lived in smaller social groups than h. sapiens sapiens and it has been suggested that this is because of the earlier maturation of Neanderthals resulting in a shorter period of passing on social skills to their young before maturity resulting in a lower level of cultural development. Of course those in larger, more socially organised groups gained ascendency over the less socially organised and the pure Neanderthals disappeared.

I speculate that Neanderthal's smaller social groups and reduced time period of social indoctrination could be due to a different mode of thought, coupled with a later development of language skills, that is, high functioning autism.

At least three periods of interbreeding with Neanderthals has been identified, once with Australian Aboriginals, twice with European populations and a third time with Asian populations. If ASD is a remnant of the Neanderthal mind then it would be expected to express most often in Asians, followed by Caucasians, then Aboriginals with a much lower occurrence in pure African populations.

The Neanderthal genes most obviously expressed in current humans are those involving lighter pigmentation of hair, skin and eyes.

This all came to me whilst I was trying to wrap my noggin around 6 dimensional geometries. This was making my brain hurt somewhat, when I considered that without an Aspie brain my head would probably be hurting a lot more.

So anyhow, I'm going back to working on my alternative to superstring theory and solving the mystery of existence.

I love my Aspie / Neanderthal mind and wouldn't want it any other way. We rock!


You're reinventing the wheel in this post.

Other folks have hit upon the same "Neanderthal theory" for the origin of autism/aspergers.

In fact it was kinda en vogue for a couple years on the Net before dying out a couple of years ago.

Neanderthals were a seperate branch of the family tree that thrived in Ice Age Europe. But then anatomical moderns invaded Europe from the east (from central Asia, but ultimately from Africa), and drove the Neanderthals to extinction within a few thousand years. But not with out doing some interbreeding with neanderthals. So modern non african humans today usually have around 2 percent Neanderthal DNA, while modern Africans have zero percent. Neanderthals lived in smaller social groups, and were also worse at social networking (they had less extensive trade routes than even stone age anatomical moderns did). So their normal behavior may have been more "autistic" than that of anatomical moderns. Ergo autism is a genetic legacy of the Neanderthals. Trouble is autism seems to be just as common among modern Africans as among any other race when the medical resources are there to ferret out autism. Interesting, but I think that its a rather dubious theory. But at the moment it cant really be either proven nor disproven. But you arent the first to think of it.


What about the Khoi-San Bushmen, do they have any autistic individuals? Please note, that they are genetically very different from other Sub-Saharan Africans, but they also do not have Neanderthal admixture, as far as I know:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5_OGa_Ktek



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18 Mar 2017, 10:42 pm

Yeah, you are describing Kim Peek, but that doesn't mean its wrong. Certainly some type of nuerological malformation, or underdevelopment is a likely culprit.

I have a theory, and there is some evedence to this, that it has to do with brain waves, and brain frequency. Alpha waves, beta waves- brain Htz in a sense. I think we have long slower wave patterns, that have carry more volume, but work on a slower frequency than NT.

Which is why i feel we have different strengths and weaknesses than NT and thats ok