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03 Mar 2020, 11:15 am

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Alot of people I know of who have Asperger's have been born through Cesareans, and I'm just wondering if there could be some mild connection. My brother was born 11 weeks premature, and is now 11 years old, he has just been diagnosed with Asperger's and he was also born through cesarean. Anyone else hear noticed some sort of mild connection, or does anyone else here have similar experiences... Or is it just a coincidence?
I read an article a few years ago that says that there had been a study done on Autistics and birth. They had discovered that none of the children that they studied who were Autistic had spent enough time in the birth canal. They came out too fast. I came out very fast as well. They found this to be the same with horses, that horses who did not spend enough time in the birth canal came out with Autistic symptoms. They were able to mitigate the Autism in the horses by applying deep pressure to their bodies shortly after birth. So I think it is very possible that cesareans could play a part.
I would like to see a link to that article, if only to know who wrote it and where it was first published.



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03 Mar 2020, 11:17 am

I was a natural birth, as were all the other autistic people in my family. Most of us were breastfed too.


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03 Mar 2020, 11:18 am

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Alot of people I know of who have Asperger's have been born through Cesareans, and I'm just wondering if there could be some mild connection. My brother was born 11 weeks premature, and is now 11 years old, he has just been diagnosed with Asperger's and he was also born through cesarean. Anyone else hear noticed some sort of mild connection, or does anyone else here have similar experiences... Or is it just a coincidence?
I read an article a few years ago that says that there had been a study done on Autistics and birth. They had discovered that none of the children that they studied who were Autistic had spent enough time in the birth canal. They came out too fast. I came out very fast as well. They found this to be the same with horses, that horses who did not spend enough time in the birth canal came out with Autistic symptoms. They were able to mitigate the Autism in the horses by applying deep pressure to their bodies shortly after birth. So I think it is very possible that cesareans could play a part.
I would like to see a link to that article, if only to know who wrote it and where it was first published.
I will look for it and if I find it again I will post it. It has been about three years since I read it. I just remembered it because I am a horse girl.


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03 Mar 2020, 11:21 am

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Alot of people I know of who have Asperger's have been born through Cesareans, and I'm just wondering if there could be some mild connection. My brother was born 11 weeks premature, and is now 11 years old, he has just been diagnosed with Asperger's and he was also born through cesarean. Anyone else hear noticed some sort of mild connection, or does anyone else here have similar experiences... Or is it just a coincidence?
I read an article a few years ago that says that there had been a study done on Autistics and birth. They had discovered that none of the children that they studied who were Autistic had spent enough time in the birth canal. They came out too fast. I came out very fast as well. They found this to be the same with horses, that horses who did not spend enough time in the birth canal came out with Autistic symptoms. They were able to mitigate the Autism in the horses by applying deep pressure to their bodies shortly after birth. So I think it is very possible that cesareans could play a part.
I would like to see a link to that article, if only to know who wrote it and where it was first published.
I will look for it and if I find it again I will post it. It has been about three years since I read it. I just remembered it because I am a horse girl.
Found it
https://www.ucdavis.edu/news/newborn-ho ... ues-autism


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03 Mar 2020, 11:28 am

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... https://www.ucdavis.edu/news/newborn-ho ... ues-autism
Interesting. But the article is 5 years old. Has there been a conclusive follow-up, or is this just another item to add to the list of articles citing possible -- yet unproven -- causes of autism?



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03 Mar 2020, 11:33 am

I have not looked for more studies on the subject. It is what it is. And I think that it is one factor in may cause Autism or Autistic symptoms. And just because it is five years old does not make it untrue. You are welcome to look for more research on the subject.


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03 Mar 2020, 12:04 pm

I was born naturally. I think that Autism is biological and existed in the past when cesarean was a rarity.


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03 Mar 2020, 4:16 pm

I was born regularly and was not particularly early or late. The only thing at all out of the ordinary with my birth is that my mother had preeclampsia.


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03 Mar 2020, 4:21 pm

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... just because it is five years old does not make it untrue...
Saying that something is unproven is not the same as saying it is untrue, either. If there is any merit to the study, a supportive follow-up study would have also made headlines. So far, not a word...



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03 Mar 2020, 4:23 pm

Sedaka wrote:
correlation does not equal causation.


This.

I was born 2 months early, not sure by what means, and spent more than a month in an incubator. My son was on term, no C-section, and he's on the spectrum too :shrug:


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03 Mar 2020, 4:25 pm

And regarding an earlier comment, it's not necessarily older women who get c-sections: there are other considerations, like myopia for instance.


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03 Mar 2020, 4:27 pm

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... just because it is five years old does not make it untrue...
Saying that something is unproven is not the same as saying it is untrue, either. If there is any merit to the study, a supportive follow-up study would have also made headlines. So far, not a word...
Thank you for the distinction in unproven and untrue. I am sorry, I had misunderstood you. Perhaps there will be more studies on that at a later time. But it is a very interesting thing to know about and especially for me who loves horses.


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03 Mar 2020, 4:30 pm

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I was born naturally. I think that Autism is biological and existed in the past when cesarean was a rarity.
I believe Autism has existed since the beginning of humanity. Were Cesareans that rare in the past? The practice goes back a very long time.


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03 Mar 2020, 4:44 pm

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I was born naturally. I think that Autism is biological and existed in the past when cesarean was a rarity.
I believe Autism has existed since the beginning of humanity. Were Cesareans that rare in the past? The practice goes back a very long time.


The Romans had them (hence the name) but if I remember correctly it started with mothers who died in childbirth, as there was some superstition about burying them pregnant, and that might have saved some babies. The rate of survival of live women would have been very low and there are actually no records of it.


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03 Mar 2020, 5:53 pm

Ah, I knew that the Romans had been practicing it. I might learn more about it now that my interest has been sparked.


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03 Mar 2020, 5:56 pm

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Ah, I knew that the Romans had been practicing it. I might learn more about it now that my interest has been sparked.


Cool and btw I'm a great lover of horses too, my grandfather was a horse-breeder :)


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