Is aspergers existence proven scientifically?

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Why don't you tell that exact thing to every social scientist.

(You aren't a mathematician or physicist, by any chance?)

How about this one. Like triangles?

http://newscenter.sdsu.edu/sdsu_newscen ... px?s=73005

I currently only have an Associate of Science in Math and Science, and I don't get paid to do either right now. However, I do have 153 credit hours, roughly 100 of which were training in math, chemistry, computer science, biology, and ecology.

Oh, and I don't consider any of the "social sciences" science. Voodoo perhaps, but definitely not science.

Since when was a brain scan the only way of telling that a disorder exists?

If you have a certain set of traits
And these traits cause problems
And a number of other people have the same or similar traits

Then surely it makes sense to give those set of traits a name, as that two-word name is a shorthand for the list of traits, so when you say it it will bring up the list of traits in professionals' heads, which will give them some idea of how to treat you.

Or, people who need help could just be told "We don't know how to show it on a brain scan, so it's a fake disorder and you're normal. Just try harder."

There's no use ... the public understands scientists in a way analogous to witchdoctors, experimentation in a way akin to divination, theories as religious truth. They want certainty. The idea of models that predict things to varying degrees of accuracy just doesn't register.

My personal epistomological philosophy is instrumentalist, more or less. They have an even harder time grasping that.

You guys fail to understand the path your leading society down, if this continues on the same path. DSM has caused nothing but more problems, since it turned into a tombstone.

Does not create a better world. Just a bunch of two faced people, showing one side to public & another behind closed doors. Ye really great society, just going to turn into more self-destructive behaviour & re-labelling stuff under another name, when clearly some of it has nothing to do with autism. That already has medical labels. When you say autism, its useless, if your talking about eye impairment or hearing impairment, etc. How is someone meant to know what you mean.

Sticking it all under one name is only good if all people share the same thing. This spectrum is just stupid, it's totally useless. Medical books don't do this junk. Not thought at at all & creating sub-sections is useless too.

I just got to clap to all the current years news on BBC website. Education, medical, employment, economy, exams, teachers. Etc screwed up. Just shows you longer you ignore things the worse it gets & pretending it not happening does not make it go away. Think it's time for this country to ban the DSM book & for society to stop listening to bad advice, by going through 3 independant labs or screenings before been let out to public.

& put a publish delay or block on sites till they been checked.

And value people have they own skills & ability's & get rid of tests & stick a CAPP career predication instead. Get rid of interviews & build a system off of peoples skills & ability's, so we can have a proper job centre & get rid of all this negative attitude towards people like me & others that's not valid & get rid of all this stress, that has been caused since the DSM & all the other idiots who been messing with the systems without thinking it through first.

& ban discrimination of personality's from been used in this country, unless its valid help needed or crime.

Last edited by TechnoDog on 11 May 2012, 7:48 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Psychology is science.

It's understanding the behavior of one object in comparison to another object and how they interact with one another. The symptoms themselves are evidence enough.

But, yes, there's brain scans, other neurological tests and whatnot all over PubMed showing differences to those without it, and even differences within the population of ASDs (the so-called HFA in comparison to AS).

It's a form of autism and there a lots of studies that have found differences in brain development and structure.

It's not just bad social skills, but poor social development because it doesn't come instinctively or is picked up by others.
There is far much more to Asperger's that people that don't have to live with it will always fail to grasp. So why try? Most frontal lobe disorders ave executive dysfunction that makes organising, memory, social ability difficult. We're always going to be rejected or get in arguments because we're outside of social consciousness; everybody is influenced by each other and all agrees what should be excepted and what shouldn't, and we are always on the wrong side. people with AS have worse problems because they don't have an understanding of social rules to begin with, they have to learn it along the way and might only learn it intellectually but still have problems applying it. Unless you can have a real benefit from having social skills (in business etc) I think it's a waste of time.

There's plenty of information out there on how the autistic brain is different. Look it up before you jump to your own conclusions. You do want to see the scientific evidence for yourself right? Or do you just want to be told that it exists?

This is a GENERAL AUTISM forum and ASD is a spectrum. We have people here that are classic autism as well as aspergers. The IQ range here are 50-160. Don't assume everyone here is capable of doing what you can do.

P.S. Damn it was hard to be nice typing this. I'm tryin.

How do I tell the differences between someone who's just sensed autism in a person. If you know what I mean 1912. You tell me to look up this stuff, but they is info saying its not accurate enough to do valid tests. Info is all over the place & people are putting tones of stuff on what the words mean. I got tones of data I came across that paints a different story. They tones of theories, hypothesis.

& one says they is controversy over neurological differences in the brains of autistic people & the rest of the population. Only thing it does say is subtle cellular changes in the autistic brain. Etc... Could go on all day.

If the data was not so much misleading, then ye.

Does the label "AS" refer to more than a collection of symptoms? In other words, is there something other than the statistical correlation between symptoms that makes those symptoms "AS"? I think those are perfectly valid and important questions and I suspect the OP meant something along those lines, though he actually posted a somewhat less precise and more provocative form of the question.

It's something I asked myself and that was when I began to take AS seriously. At first I more or less dismissed it as data mining: so some people have traits A and trait B and of those, many have trait C. So what? Why is it that if you have trait A you're just a weird/lower-functioning NT and same if you have trait B or C, but if you have all 3 of them that's a completely different story - you're now a (probably high-functioning) autistic? When I actually started reading about it I got my answer: because there is a neurological basis for it (well, probably). That makes a big difference. Because brain chemistry is not something I can change (probably ) it means there is a good reason for why I'm bad at certain things, rather than just "not trying hard enough". Self-acceptance aside, it means a hypothesis can be made about a person's traits based on objective evidence, which can then be checked against observations. (We're not at that stage yet, but hopefully we'll get there.) If confirmed, that would allow for a useful theory of AS, as opposed to just a label for a collection of symptoms.

Pensieve has the classic autism, actually, and she works really hard to study these subjects, given what she's described as her cognitive difficulties.

I hope the OP is an Atheist. Else they have just totally destroyed their own argument requiring a physical proof or difference for AS to be real. Also besides being pissed at their own AS Diagnosis it seems they are looking for a way to invalidate their own Dx. The OP appears to be in denial. Lastly look at AS people from birth through early childhood and you will find many behaviors that differ from NT population at large and also have commonalities among others with AS... In reading the OP's post it sure seems like he is saying that AS folks are just acting or behaving this way by some weird choice. which my reference to early onset above invalidates because the infant or child is not yet able to consciously choose these behaviors....

As is been removed.

http://www.science20.com/science_20/red ... dsmv-86289

& have they bothered running a Pet scan on the Acetylcholine Pathway.

Seeing this odd seeing as the doctor I went to (Who was really good and I was 100% honest with) told me I was a text book case, though he did not like to put labels on stuff. I do dislike how AS and autism has become fadish, it actually prevented me from getting a diagnosis for a long time out of fear and guilt and feeling dumb. I think of aspergers is something and if it isn't just relegated to HFA ( I didn't read all of that article) it really varies from person to person. I think with mental conditions and medical stuff in general its very hard to pigeon hole stuff. Like, condition causes me to enjoy some things more and I've been told accept/embrace parts of my personality, even by the doctor, but I really do suffer with meltdowns, my mind getting heavily overloaded to the point I hyperventilate now and other things. Also bad hand to eye coordination eyes, some of these things meds really do help with but I've noticed a group of people who totally refuse treatment in that form and thinks its evil or something.

I'm not one to say "YOU'RE PROBLEM ISN'T REAL", quite the contrary..but I have to wonder just how bad these people and are effected by their problems. Its admirable to want to be strong and not be a thrall to your drugs but there's another point when your condition(s) is clearly interfering with your daily life and then I think there's nothing wrong with medical intervention.

I've totally gone on an off topic tangent, sorry


tl; dr my own problems linked to AS/HFA are very real and I think they're scientific and at least partially part of some brain imbalance. I don't care anymore if the internet or popular blogs debate this and call me a faker. I know how its limited and disabled me in many ways, I've tried stuff.

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