How come so many people here treat AS like a race/club?
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22 May 2012, 12:57 pm
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OP, I don't know where you're bumping into those people with grandiose ideas like that. Most of the people on WP are here for support, from those with similar issues, not to claim superiority. In fact, any that have made such claims have turned out to be internet trolls.
I agree. I also disagree with those who say AS is a "disease." Saying that implies that AS, itself, can be cured or treated. Such is not the case. You can treat some of the things that come along with AS, such as depression, etc. But it is a neurological difference. It's not a virus, or a tumor, or brain damage. It can't be fixed with medication or surgery. People with severe AS can go through BCT in order to fit in better socially with "normal folk." However, some of us could care less. We're comfortable with who we are, and it's the NT's who don't understand who have the problem. The majority of our problems are social issues, because we simply don't think the same way you do. There's nothing actually wrong with the way we think. We don't have hallucinations. Most of us are not generally paranoid. And if there is paranoia, it's usually due to some kind of bad social experience, not something wrong with the brain. A vast majority of aspies aren't looking for a cure. We're looking for acceptance. And obviously we're not getting that from someone like the OP.
Thank you! I'm amazed it took until the second page for someone to call out that "disease" comment! I am not contagious, I cannot be "cured", my body/brain are not being invaded by some form of foreign pathogen, nor am I having an autoimmune reaction. My brain has different strengths and weaknesses from most other people. You can call it a "neurological condition", as it describes the state of my mind, but it is not a "disease" by any means.
Also, to say that it IS a disease or should be "cured" implies that AS is mostly/purely negative and that being NT is mostly/purely positive. You know, yes, I do have trouble enjoying and understanding parties, but you know what? Most people have trouble enjoying and understanding particle physics or foreign grammar structures. Just because I don't share in the delight others have from parties or the frustration they feel with grammar, that doesn't mean I think there's something wrong with them for feeling that way. I'm proud to be a nerd and I'm really happy to have found a community that feels similarly. That isn't the same as feeling superior or forming some exclusive club. I love and accept my NT friends and family just as they love and accept me. Sure, I had issues growing up because of my differences, but you know what? So do most kids! Being on or off the spectrum doesn't change the fact that life is full of challenges that you have to be strong to overcome. Being NT just means having different difficulties from what we have experienced. A lot of NT people I know are jealous that I don't have to deal with the social drama that they do, or that I remember things as easily as I do. Just because I've come to terms with my limits and no longer feel pangs of jealousy when I see a group of people having fun on a Saturday night, that doesn't mean I think I'm better than they are. It means I'm content with myself, a feeling that I wish I could share with other people, whether they be AS or NT or something else altogether...
22 May 2012, 1:12 pm
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Some people are natural questioners. They question their own diagnosis. They question others self diagnoses. Since Autistics are all different from one another, they might even question others actual diagnoses. Perhaps people who question do not realize how it looks to others?
They're free to question. They're not free to be condescending. They have to learn to have some regard for the journey of self-discovery that others are on. Questioning is good. Judging a person who is vulnerable and stuggling is NOT.
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22 May 2012, 1:17 pm
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
fleurdelily wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Diamorphine wrote:
"The next step in human evolution" makes people with AS seem grandiose with a retardedly huge superiority complex. I'd rather be looked at as weird than a crazy ass schizo who thinks he's god.
That's being too negative.
um, no it isn't. I've agree with diamorphine completely. I've picked up the "you're not one of us if you're self-diagnosed" attitudes oozing from these forums. Believe me, I DEFINITLY do NOT want to be an aspie. So get over yourself. I have even witnessed a bit of aspie-as-bully in that attitude, right here on these forums. It's quite repugnant
That post is repugnant, though, with terminology like "crazy ass schizo" and "retardedly huge superiority complex." In fact, ironically, I have noticed quite a few inferiority complexes on WP, including myself, more than I have superiority complexes. I haven't noticed anyone using that terminology toward the self diagnosed. Just questioning self diagnosis is not the same as insulting someone who is self diagnosed with derogatory terminology.
Who cares about the terminology. Being insane means you lose touch with reality, and schizophrenics often lose touch with reality. Insanity isn't an insult, it's a medical ailment. And finding "ret*d" offensive in that context just tells me you're a crybaby. To be honest, if I were mentally disabled, I'd rather just be called "a blithering idiot" as opposed to "special", because at least the former is telling it how it is and not making stupid euphemisms to pwotect peepwez feewings. I didn't SAY EVERYONE on these forums had the superiority complex. It's a small but loud minority. It only takes one bad apple to spoil the bunch.
22 May 2012, 1:48 pm
Diamorphine wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
fleurdelily wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Diamorphine wrote:
"The next step in human evolution" makes people with AS seem grandiose with a retardedly huge superiority complex. I'd rather be looked at as weird than a crazy ass schizo who thinks he's god.
That's being too negative.
um, no it isn't. I've agree with diamorphine completely. I've picked up the "you're not one of us if you're self-diagnosed" attitudes oozing from these forums. Believe me, I DEFINITLY do NOT want to be an aspie. So get over yourself. I have even witnessed a bit of aspie-as-bully in that attitude, right here on these forums. It's quite repugnant
That post is repugnant, though, with terminology like "crazy ass schizo" and "retardedly huge superiority complex." In fact, ironically, I have noticed quite a few inferiority complexes on WP, including myself, more than I have superiority complexes. I haven't noticed anyone using that terminology toward the self diagnosed. Just questioning self diagnosis is not the same as insulting someone who is self diagnosed with derogatory terminology.
Who cares about the terminology. Being insane means you lose touch with reality, and schizophrenics often lose touch with reality. Insanity isn't an insult, it's a medical ailment. And finding "ret*d" offensive in that context just tells me you're a crybaby. To be honest, if I were mentally disabled, I'd rather just be called "a blithering idiot" as opposed to "special", because at least the former is telling it how it is and not making stupid euphemisms to pwotect peepwez feewings. I didn't SAY EVERYONE on these forums had the superiority complex. It's a small but loud minority. It only takes one bad apple to spoil the bunch.
Political correctness is way out of control, that doesn't make it right to be patronizing, call people names or just be plain old insulting.
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22 May 2012, 1:51 pm
Diamorphine wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
fleurdelily wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Diamorphine wrote:
"The next step in human evolution" makes people with AS seem grandiose with a retardedly huge superiority complex. I'd rather be looked at as weird than a crazy ass schizo who thinks he's god.
That's being too negative.
um, no it isn't. I've agree with diamorphine completely. I've picked up the "you're not one of us if you're self-diagnosed" attitudes oozing from these forums. Believe me, I DEFINITLY do NOT want to be an aspie. So get over yourself. I have even witnessed a bit of aspie-as-bully in that attitude, right here on these forums. It's quite repugnant
That post is repugnant, though, with terminology like "crazy ass schizo" and "retardedly huge superiority complex." In fact, ironically, I have noticed quite a few inferiority complexes on WP, including myself, more than I have superiority complexes. I haven't noticed anyone using that terminology toward the self diagnosed. Just questioning self diagnosis is not the same as insulting someone who is self diagnosed with derogatory terminology.
Who cares about the terminology. Being insane means you lose touch with reality, and schizophrenics often lose touch with reality. Insanity isn't an insult, it's a medical ailment. And finding "ret*d" offensive in that context just tells me you're a crybaby. To be honest, if I were mentally disabled, I'd rather just be called "a blithering idiot" as opposed to "special", because at least the former is telling it how it is and not making stupid euphemisms to pwotect peepwez feewings. I didn't SAY EVERYONE on these forums had the superiority complex. It's a small but loud minority. It only takes one bad apple to spoil the bunch.
Well Insanity is kind of a vague term and does not necessarily imply anything medical...but I don't find insanity to be an insult unless someone means it as an insult. I mean compared to the other issues I have the aspergers seems to be the least of my worries...though the sensory issues and difficulty in social interaction makes things quite a bit difficult in itself.
Also for someone complaining about superiority complex you seem to have quite the attitude towards people with mental disorders like schizophrenia, mental retardation and downs syndrome...if you end up with brain damage and it makes you come off ret*d we can all see you as a blithering idiot if you'd like.........but most people with such issues don't like being insulted that way.
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22 May 2012, 2:16 pm
Sweetleaf wrote:
Diamorphine wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
fleurdelily wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Diamorphine wrote:
"The next step in human evolution" makes people with AS seem grandiose with a retardedly huge superiority complex. I'd rather be looked at as weird than a crazy ass schizo who thinks he's god.
That's being too negative.
um, no it isn't. I've agree with diamorphine completely. I've picked up the "you're not one of us if you're self-diagnosed" attitudes oozing from these forums. Believe me, I DEFINITLY do NOT want to be an aspie. So get over yourself. I have even witnessed a bit of aspie-as-bully in that attitude, right here on these forums. It's quite repugnant
That post is repugnant, though, with terminology like "crazy ass schizo" and "retardedly huge superiority complex." In fact, ironically, I have noticed quite a few inferiority complexes on WP, including myself, more than I have superiority complexes. I haven't noticed anyone using that terminology toward the self diagnosed. Just questioning self diagnosis is not the same as insulting someone who is self diagnosed with derogatory terminology.
Who cares about the terminology. Being insane means you lose touch with reality, and schizophrenics often lose touch with reality. Insanity isn't an insult, it's a medical ailment. And finding "ret*d" offensive in that context just tells me you're a crybaby. To be honest, if I were mentally disabled, I'd rather just be called "a blithering idiot" as opposed to "special", because at least the former is telling it how it is and not making stupid euphemisms to pwotect peepwez feewings. I didn't SAY EVERYONE on these forums had the superiority complex. It's a small but loud minority. It only takes one bad apple to spoil the bunch.
Well Insanity is kind of a vague term and does not necessarily imply anything medical...but I don't find insanity to be an insult unless someone means it as an insult. I mean compared to the other issues I have the aspergers seems to be the least of my worries...though the sensory issues and difficulty in social interaction makes things quite a bit difficult in itself.
Also for someone complaining about superiority complex you seem to have quite the attitude towards people with mental disorders like schizophrenia, mental retardation and downs syndrome...if you end up with brain damage and it makes you come off ret*d we can all see you as a blithering idiot if you'd like.........but most people with such issues don't like being insulted that way.
Well, you can kind of understand my little hate for schizophrenia growing up with a mother who had it and refused to get help. Sure, some of her psychotic beliefs were funny and s**t you could brush off, but when she starts running around the house knocking over everything "BECAUSE THEY'RE COMING TO GET HER" (who and why never explained), it makes you really develop a hate for the disease.
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22 May 2012, 2:28 pm
Diamorphine wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Diamorphine wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
fleurdelily wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Diamorphine wrote:
"The next step in human evolution" makes people with AS seem grandiose with a retardedly huge superiority complex. I'd rather be looked at as weird than a crazy ass schizo who thinks he's god.
That's being too negative.
um, no it isn't. I've agree with diamorphine completely. I've picked up the "you're not one of us if you're self-diagnosed" attitudes oozing from these forums. Believe me, I DEFINITLY do NOT want to be an aspie. So get over yourself. I have even witnessed a bit of aspie-as-bully in that attitude, right here on these forums. It's quite repugnant
That post is repugnant, though, with terminology like "crazy ass schizo" and "retardedly huge superiority complex." In fact, ironically, I have noticed quite a few inferiority complexes on WP, including myself, more than I have superiority complexes. I haven't noticed anyone using that terminology toward the self diagnosed. Just questioning self diagnosis is not the same as insulting someone who is self diagnosed with derogatory terminology.
Who cares about the terminology. Being insane means you lose touch with reality, and schizophrenics often lose touch with reality. Insanity isn't an insult, it's a medical ailment. And finding "ret*d" offensive in that context just tells me you're a crybaby. To be honest, if I were mentally disabled, I'd rather just be called "a blithering idiot" as opposed to "special", because at least the former is telling it how it is and not making stupid euphemisms to pwotect peepwez feewings. I didn't SAY EVERYONE on these forums had the superiority complex. It's a small but loud minority. It only takes one bad apple to spoil the bunch.
Well Insanity is kind of a vague term and does not necessarily imply anything medical...but I don't find insanity to be an insult unless someone means it as an insult. I mean compared to the other issues I have the aspergers seems to be the least of my worries...though the sensory issues and difficulty in social interaction makes things quite a bit difficult in itself.
Also for someone complaining about superiority complex you seem to have quite the attitude towards people with mental disorders like schizophrenia, mental retardation and downs syndrome...if you end up with brain damage and it makes you come off ret*d we can all see you as a blithering idiot if you'd like.........but most people with such issues don't like being insulted that way.
Well, you can kind of understand my little hate for schizophrenia growing up with a mother who had it and refused to get help. Sure, some of her psychotic beliefs were funny and sh** you could brush off, but when she starts running around the house knocking over everything "BECAUSE THEY'RE COMING TO GET HER" (who and why never explained), it makes you really develop a hate for the disease.
I don't think that justifies hatred towards people with schizophrenia in general, and it seems you are a little ignorant on just how severe it can be, and how much it can interfere with functioning and ability to rationalize getting help. I mean it seems like you're hating the people not the disease....you have to keep in mind people with schizophrenia do not ask to be convinced that someones 'coming to get them' but since they are they are going to react as though it is a fact.......I mean if you knew someone was coming after someone and that person was freaking out would you just tell them to not have a reaction knowing its impossible? so by that logic how can someone convinced of something like that react any differently.
It is certainly fine to hate the disease and be frustrated about your mom, but that is nothing to hold against schizophrenics in general or those with mental conditions in general. I mean hell if something sets of my PTSD I can react pretty extreme no matter how much I try to hold back and don't want to. And then I might go overboard putting myself down for it because I feel bad that I couldn't control it and avoid causing problems or whatever. I mean its not as though people with mental disorders want to experience the symptoms. Though sometimes one has to accept they have certain disorders or symptoms and work with that and cope with having it.......to some maybe that resembles wanting to have a mental disorder, but I think it is more of a matter of accepting you have one(or more) and not beating yourself up over it.....at least for me that would be the case.
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22 May 2012, 4:02 pm
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To be honest, if I were mentally disabled
Confuzzling. What's your definition of mental disability/mentally disabled which is often used synonymously to "mental disorder"?
Don't you have a type of ADHD or something?
What do you think ADHD as according to the DSM-IV/ICD-10 is exactly?
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22 May 2012, 4:08 pm
Sora wrote:
Diamorphine wrote:
To be honest, if I were mentally disabled
Confuzzling. What's your definition of mental disability/mentally disabled which is often used synonymously to "mental disorder"?
Don't you have a type of ADHD or something?
What do you think ADHD as according to the DSM-IV/ICD-10 is exactly?
Yes, I have severe ADHD. But when I said mentally DISABLED, I meant an IQ of below 50. A person with untreated ADHD isn't disabled, their life just sucks more than anyone elses. A person with an IQ below 50 won't be able to survive on their own, therfore qualifying as "disabled".
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22 May 2012, 4:12 pm
Diamorphine wrote:
Sora wrote:
Diamorphine wrote:
To be honest, if I were mentally disabled
Confuzzling. What's your definition of mental disability/mentally disabled which is often used synonymously to "mental disorder"?
Don't you have a type of ADHD or something?
What do you think ADHD as according to the DSM-IV/ICD-10 is exactly?
Yes, I have severe ADHD. But when I said mentally DISABLED, I meant an IQ of below 50. A person with untreated ADHD isn't disabled, their life just sucks more than anyone elses. A person with an IQ below 50 won't be able to survive on their own.
More than anyone elses huh? that's debatable....but it does not good to have a competition over who's life sucks more. Also maybe, but that also depends on why they got an IQ score below 50.
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22 May 2012, 4:17 pm
Sweetleaf wrote:
Diamorphine wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Diamorphine wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
fleurdelily wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Diamorphine wrote:
"The next step in human evolution" makes people with AS seem grandiose with a retardedly huge superiority complex. I'd rather be looked at as weird than a crazy ass schizo who thinks he's god.
That's being too negative.
um, no it isn't. I've agree with diamorphine completely. I've picked up the "you're not one of us if you're self-diagnosed" attitudes oozing from these forums. Believe me, I DEFINITLY do NOT want to be an aspie. So get over yourself. I have even witnessed a bit of aspie-as-bully in that attitude, right here on these forums. It's quite repugnant
That post is repugnant, though, with terminology like "crazy ass schizo" and "retardedly huge superiority complex." In fact, ironically, I have noticed quite a few inferiority complexes on WP, including myself, more than I have superiority complexes. I haven't noticed anyone using that terminology toward the self diagnosed. Just questioning self diagnosis is not the same as insulting someone who is self diagnosed with derogatory terminology.
Who cares about the terminology. Being insane means you lose touch with reality, and schizophrenics often lose touch with reality. Insanity isn't an insult, it's a medical ailment. And finding "ret*d" offensive in that context just tells me you're a crybaby. To be honest, if I were mentally disabled, I'd rather just be called "a blithering idiot" as opposed to "special", because at least the former is telling it how it is and not making stupid euphemisms to pwotect peepwez feewings. I didn't SAY EVERYONE on these forums had the superiority complex. It's a small but loud minority. It only takes one bad apple to spoil the bunch.
Well Insanity is kind of a vague term and does not necessarily imply anything medical...but I don't find insanity to be an insult unless someone means it as an insult. I mean compared to the other issues I have the aspergers seems to be the least of my worries...though the sensory issues and difficulty in social interaction makes things quite a bit difficult in itself.
Also for someone complaining about superiority complex you seem to have quite the attitude towards people with mental disorders like schizophrenia, mental retardation and downs syndrome...if you end up with brain damage and it makes you come off ret*d we can all see you as a blithering idiot if you'd like.........but most people with such issues don't like being insulted that way.
Well, you can kind of understand my little hate for schizophrenia growing up with a mother who had it and refused to get help. Sure, some of her psychotic beliefs were funny and sh** you could brush off, but when she starts running around the house knocking over everything "BECAUSE THEY'RE COMING TO GET HER" (who and why never explained), it makes you really develop a hate for the disease.
I don't think that justifies hatred towards people with schizophrenia in general, and it seems you are a little ignorant on just how severe it can be, and how much it can interfere with functioning and ability to rationalize getting help. I mean it seems like you're hating the people not the disease....you have to keep in mind people with schizophrenia do not ask to be convinced that someones 'coming to get them' but since they are they are going to react as though it is a fact.......I mean if you knew someone was coming after someone and that person was freaking out would you just tell them to not have a reaction knowing its impossible? so by that logic how can someone convinced of something like that react any differently.
It is certainly fine to hate the disease and be frustrated about your mom, but that is nothing to hold against schizophrenics in general or those with mental conditions in general. I mean hell if something sets of my PTSD I can react pretty extreme no matter how much I try to hold back and don't want to. And then I might go overboard putting myself down for it because I feel bad that I couldn't control it and avoid causing problems or whatever. I mean its not as though people with mental disorders want to experience the symptoms. Though sometimes one has to accept they have certain disorders or symptoms and work with that and cope with having it.......to some maybe that resembles wanting to have a mental disorder, but I think it is more of a matter of accepting you have one(or more) and not beating yourself up over it.....at least for me that would be the case.
Thing is, there's a wide variety of antipsychotics out there that could have made her at least semi-normal. She refused and decided to make the first 12 years of my life and the last 15 years of being married to my dad miserable as all f**k. Especially when you're an impressionable 6 year old who actually believes the nonsense.
I don't hate schizophrenics. I hate schizophrenia and the schizophrenics who refuse to get some haloperidol and stop being nothing but a pain in the ass. I turned out okay, but some other kids with schizophrenic parents end up dead because of one of their parent's stupid, stupid refusal to get treated. I know what psychosis is like, I've stayed up for 8 days on meth before. It was not a good feeling, I don't see why anyone would want to live like that.
22 May 2012, 4:54 pm
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Thing is, there's a wide variety of antipsychotics out there that could have made her at least semi-normal. She refused and decided to make the first 12 years of my life and the last 15 years of being married to my dad miserable as all f**k. Especially when you're an impressionable 6 year old who actually believes the nonsense.
I don't hate schizophrenics. I hate schizophrenia and the schizophrenics who refuse to get some haloperidol and stop being nothing but a pain in the ass. I turned out okay, but some other kids with schizophrenic parents end up dead because of one of their parent's stupid, stupid refusal to get treated. I know what psychosis is like, I've stayed up for 8 days on meth before. It was not a good feeling, I don't see why anyone would want to live like that.
If she was doing things to jeopardize others' or her own safety it was somebody's job to neutralize that threat. If a diabetic jumps in his car and gets onto the freeway and has a low blood sugar reaction they don't wake him up and send him on his way; NO, they take him to the hospital and do tests, and get him stabilized before sending him home.
OK: so a diabetic usually doesn't need to be reminded to maintain his levels, and while they've come a long way in reducing side effects, 99% of schizotypals aren't going to pursue treatment, the ones I've seen that do take their meds often get tripped up by the doctors seeing them for 2 minutes then sending them home with 4 months of refills, which run out, not to mention the pharmacies dropping the ball by not maintaining a steady supply. But it's more likely that they will be more receptive to taking antipsychotics if the meds have cross apps for pain or insomnia
22 May 2012, 5:04 pm
2wheels4ever wrote:
Diamorphine wrote:
Thing is, there's a wide variety of antipsychotics out there that could have made her at least semi-normal. She refused and decided to make the first 12 years of my life and the last 15 years of being married to my dad miserable as all f**k. Especially when you're an impressionable 6 year old who actually believes the nonsense.
I don't hate schizophrenics. I hate schizophrenia and the schizophrenics who refuse to get some haloperidol and stop being nothing but a pain in the ass. I turned out okay, but some other kids with schizophrenic parents end up dead because of one of their parent's stupid, stupid refusal to get treated. I know what psychosis is like, I've stayed up for 8 days on meth before. It was not a good feeling, I don't see why anyone would want to live like that.
If she was doing things to jeopardize others' or her own safety it was somebody's job to neutralize that threat. If a diabetic jumps in his car and gets onto the freeway and has a low blood sugar reaction they don't wake him up and send him on his way; NO, they take him to the hospital and do tests, and get him stabilized before sending him home.
OK: so a diabetic usually doesn't need to be reminded to maintain his levels, and while they've come a long way in reducing side effects, 99% of schizotypals aren't going to pursue treatment, the ones I've seen that do take their meds often get tripped up by the doctors seeing them for 2 minutes then sending them home with 4 months of refills, which run out, not to mention the pharmacies dropping the ball by not maintaining a steady supply. But it's more likely that they will be more receptive to taking antipsychotics if the meds have cross apps for pain or insomnia
I actually spent a long time figuring out how to get haloperidol to slip in her food without being psychotic myself. This was before you could buy any non-controlled drug over the internet.
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