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15 Jun 2012, 7:20 pm

I do not recall anyone ever asking me such a question as a child. I would have thought about it, thought again. And brought up a nice-sounding but incorrect hypothesis to explain why someone would listen to a type of music.
At the daughter's age I seldom listened to music at all. It was just something we did in Elementary school that I had no talent for. LOL

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15 Jun 2012, 7:20 pm

I've heard "you" being used to mean "people in general" (and even been told, in so many words, that it's what was meant) but not "people" being used to mean "you, specifically". I'm confused by this. Have I been missing something?

My sister has been getting her son assessed for ADD. She says kids with neurological wiring variations learn to mask and compensate very early, so that by the time they're aged about seven or so and more likely to get tested, it's hard already to see what's really going on. That's why they test them for such long periods at a stretch. They need to keep them in an environment long enough to let the difficulties finally show. My nephew went through a two hour session recently, for this very reason.


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15 Jun 2012, 7:58 pm

MindWithoutWalls wrote:
I've heard "you" being used to mean "people in general" (and even been told, in so many words, that it's what was meant) but not "people" being used to mean "you, specifically". I'm confused by this. Have I been missing something?

My sister has been getting her son assessed for ADD. She says kids with neurological wiring variations learn to mask and compensate very early, so that by the time they're aged about seven or so and more likely to get tested, it's hard already to see what's really going on. That's why they test them for such long periods at a stretch. They need to keep them in an environment long enough to let the difficulties finally show. My nephew went through a two hour session recently, for this very reason.


Well, I'm not exactly sure what the question meant, but as pragmatics was being tested That probably means the question wasn't literal.


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16 Jun 2012, 1:04 pm

Don't know if it helps, but my psychologist threw in a "social insight test" when I went to take my WISC-IV.

The results where that my "social insight" was in the "very superior" range.

I don't remember all the questions, but one of them was, "Why do some people think it's important to protect endangered animals?"

Seeing as how animals are one of my interests, I gave a three minute lecture on everything I've ever read about the various rationales behind why endangered species should be preserved. Apparently, this means my social skills are top-notch. :lol:

BTW, much depends on how questions are worded. "Why do people like listening to music?" is a VERY different question than, "Why do SOME people like listening to music?"

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17 Jun 2012, 12:00 pm

XFilesGeek wrote:
BTW, much depends on how questions are worded. "Why do people like listening to music?" is a VERY different question than, "Why do SOME people like listening to music?"


Ah, I've got it. As the test was evaluating pragmatics it was implied to mean "why do some people like listening to music", which would include "you", thus you could answer. Pragmatics is all about not taking things literally.


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17 Jun 2012, 7:13 pm

Mummy_of_Peanut wrote:
I wasn't sure what to call this thread, I hope it gets a few hits. :) I'd like to ask everyone for your thoughts on this matter. I'm only giving this as an example.

My daughter is being assessed for autism and has just about completed the speech & language assessment, which has been done over the course of a few weeks. The first few times the therapist saw her, she assessed her basic language skills, which are at the high end of average. Last week, she was assessing her pragmatic language skills, which was done partly by observing her in class. Here's what happened: The teacher asked her, 'Why do people like listening to music?' My daughter was stumped, apparently. The teacher had to prise an answer out of her. Eventually she said that it helps them to relax, or something like that. The answer was fine, but it took a while to get there and she didn't seem comfortable with what she said. The therapist told me that was as expected for a child on the spectrum. So, when my daughter came home, I asked her about it. She said that she was being asked to answer an impossible question. She said, 'The teacher asked me why people liked listening to music. I know why I like listening to music, it helps me to sleep, but I don't know why other people like it. I can't read minds, how am I supposed to know what other people think, without asking them'.

Is she thinking too much?
Is she right? It seems logical.
Is everyone else just being presumptive, i.e. they think they know what others' thoughts are?
Does this sound like a ToM problem?

Any thoughts on the matter would be great. As I said, this is just an example. Please add your own.


Getting my assessment for autism I could not generalize at all, so there were option-questions I had to fill in, which were very generalized ( eg "what do people feel when [...]") and I added the option "How can I know this".
I have also difficulties people asking me things like "how is your brother?". Then I go into my image-library remembering the first moments I have from my brother and go chronological to the point of now. Or people are already into another conversation or I answer "I don't know", beause I cannot process all the information to come to an answer as I cannot know.
But I have this my psychologist asking me "how was your week". Then I start from monday morning trying to evaluate everything which took place and still I cannot tell how my week was (strange question anyway). But she stopped asking it and asks me about direct events (could you eat every day etc.).


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