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25 Jul 2012, 3:15 pm

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I haven't seen or heared anything about this massacre except through WP, but I am confused as to why small children were involved if it was a PG13 movie?


Parents are allowed to bring their underage kids to PG 13 movies? Seriously since when should the government decide how old someone should be to watch a movie. That should be up to the parent of the child shouldn't it?


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25 Jul 2012, 3:22 pm

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What we have here is the pervasive American mentality that its 'people who kill people, not guns'. I think anyone could agree that removing guns would make it a hell of a lot harder to do the killing. Yes, homemade firearms can be made but selling guns in supermarkets so that they are as easy to obtain as chocolate bars is hardly helping to keep them out of the wrong hands.

You say you want to keep guns in the hands of ordinary citizens, well with that comes with having to allow potential mass murderers access to them too. You cant have your cake and eat it.

I know removing guns out of american circulation is easier said than done and what should be done seldomly resembles what is going to happen, but its either that or such massacres are going to continue. Its the whole stupidity of the situation which tires my ability to be empathetic.


Well technically a gun can't get up and kill someone therefore it would make sense people kill people with guns rather than guns themselves killing people. Also its not like anyone regardless of criminal record can go legally buy a gun they do background checks.

Also how would taking guns from the citizens prevent these massacres from continuing? people could still get them illegally...or use other means of destruction. Unless the government wants to give up their weapons too they have no right to disarm the citizens at least in my opinion.


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25 Jul 2012, 3:25 pm

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Guns have one role and one role only, and that is to send hot chunks of lead tearing through peoples internal organs. They have no other role or use.


I wasn't aware that when people go hunting in the forest their goal is to shoot people.


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25 Jul 2012, 4:03 pm

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For those who do not feel sad about what happened, by your own logic, no one should feel sad about you being bullied, or treated bad in general. Afterall, they don't know you, so why should they care about yout. And by that logic, you should have no anger inside of you that no one cares about you, because, well, they do not know you and by your own logic, they are well withing their right not to care anything about you.


Indeed. The next time that various people on this thread appear in The Haven, moaning that they can't find a girlfriend, or they don't like their parents or whatever gripe it is that day, I presume that they will understand if I reply with 'Well I don't know you, so I don't really care. Your problem doesn't matter to me at all, and frankly, it's pretty unimportant in the grand scheme of things'.



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25 Jul 2012, 4:10 pm

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MoT, that doesn't follow. Who said "no one should feel sad", or even that they personally wouldn't feel sad if they were closer to the event in some way? I don't think that someone on the other side of the country who reads about how I was bullied in the past should be expected to cry over it, either. There's a big difference between that and being there at the time, able to intervene and doing nothing.


Read through the thread, lots of folks feel nothing about this tragedy.



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25 Jul 2012, 4:11 pm

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For those who do not feel sad about what happened, by your own logic, no one should feel sad about you being bullied, or treated bad in general. Afterall, they don't know you, so why should they care about yout. And by that logic, you should have no anger inside of you that no one cares about you, because, well, they do not know you and by your own logic, they are well withing their right not to care anything about you.


Indeed. The next time that various people on this thread appear in The Haven, moaning that they can't find a girlfriend, or they don't like their parents or whatever gripe it is that day, I presume that they will understand if I reply with 'Well I don't know you, so I don't really care. Your problem doesn't matter to me at all, and frankly, it's pretty unimportant in the grand scheme of things'.


This!!



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25 Jul 2012, 4:14 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:

Well technically a gun can't get up and kill someone therefore it would make sense people kill people with guns rather than guns themselves killing people.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsN0FCXw914[/youtube]

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Also its not like anyone regardless of criminal record can go legally buy a gun they do background checks.

great, so even if you're an experienced mass murderer you can still get guns if becoming one is your ambition.

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Also how would taking guns from the citizens prevent these massacres from continuing?.

I think Mr Izzard above has articulated it as eloquently as i ever could hope to.



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25 Jul 2012, 4:19 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
thomas81 wrote:
Guns have one role and one role only, and that is to send hot chunks of lead tearing through peoples internal organs. They have no other role or use.


I wasn't aware that when people go hunting in the forest their goal is to shoot people.


Ok, the role of guns is to launch bullets through internal organs. Happy?



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25 Jul 2012, 4:25 pm

MomofThree1975 wrote:
For those who do not feel sad about what happened, by your own logic, no one should feel sad about you being bullied, or treated bad in general. Afterall, they don't know you, so why should they care about yout. And by that logic, you should have no anger inside of you that no one cares about you, because, well, they do not know you and by your own logic, they are well withing their right not to care anything about you.


You tell them horrible boys mom! No boy scout points for those insensitive youfs
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25 Jul 2012, 4:28 pm

I don't feel anything either. When I imagine myself in the situation, I don't see myself being afraid. Although intellectually I know I most certainly would be. Just like I know I would be terrified if a family member were right beside me. And yet, I can't imagine the terror. It's a hypothetical abstract thing, in my mind.

When I see people crying about this who aren't directly impacted, I don't understand how they are feeling. What is it that's triggering them? Do they cry when they hear about people bombed in other countries? Do they cry every time they turn on the news and hear stories about people getting shot in drive-bys? Why or why not?

I feel bad that I can't feel as much as other people, because it contributes to my not-belonging feeling, and sometimes I'm not sure I do a good job faking it. Just because I don't have a lot of empathy or sympathy doesn't mean that I am a psychopath. It means I have a problem, one that I'm trying very hard to work on. I have a conscience just like everyone else. That keeps me from being evil.



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25 Jul 2012, 4:32 pm

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You know what happened with that dude shooting people in the cinema during Batman.

I've got Aspergers and I honestly don't care and feel no saddness towards any of it. I'm not a horrible person though. I have no feeling and really don't give a f**k unless it happends to me or is something to do with my disability. I don't know why, but it seems it's like this with everything. I want to feel bad, but I just don't.



You'd probably feel pretty bad if you saw an actual photo of the crime scene with dead/wounded people laying everywhere in the theater. I admit that sometimes I don't mentally connect with tragedies like this unless I see a video or photos of it. Then I think "Oh my God how horrible!!"

Just try and picture in your mind what the theater must have looked like right afterwards. :idea:



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25 Jul 2012, 4:46 pm

MomofThree1975 wrote:
Read through the thread, lots of folks feel nothing about this tragedy.


I have been reading and posting, and I was one of those "folks". Maybe you should reread my comment. I didn't say they felt something. I said they didn't say no one should, and some mentioned that if they were closer to it they would.



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25 Jul 2012, 4:48 pm

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You'd probably feel pretty bad if you saw an actual photo of the crime scene with dead/wounded people laying everywhere in the theater. I admit that sometimes I don't mentally connect with tragedies like this unless I see a video or photos of it. Then I think "Oh my God how horrible!!"

Just try and picture in your mind what the theater must have looked like right afterwards. :idea:


But why would you want to do that? How would it benefit anyone?



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25 Jul 2012, 4:51 pm

Nonperson wrote:
Venger wrote:
You'd probably feel pretty bad if you saw an actual photo of the crime scene with dead/wounded people laying everywhere in the theater. I admit that sometimes I don't mentally connect with tragedies like this unless I see a video or photos of it. Then I think "Oh my God how horrible!!"

Just try and picture in your mind what the theater must have looked like right afterwards. :idea:


But why would you want to do that? How would it benefit anyone?


It might make the OP feel a little empathy/compassion for the victims.



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25 Jul 2012, 4:52 pm

Yes, and why? :?

It would make him upset about something he had no control over, and do nothing to help the victims in any way. Why is that desirable?



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25 Jul 2012, 4:57 pm

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Yes, and why? :?

It would make him upset about something he had no control over, and do nothing to help the victims in any way. Why is that desirable?


It's the likely reason he didn't feel anything about the tragedy, and he probably didn't even realize that until I said it.