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02 Aug 2012, 11:50 am

No, at least not in the sense of "caring more about myself than others". That's never been in my nature. I'm unhappy when I know someone else is unhappy, so I benefit just as much from someone else's good luck as my own. I guess you could say that wanting someone else to be happy is ultimately selfish because I benefit from it too--but it's a very benign sort of selfishness, isn't it? As far as vices go, I've always been more troubled by laziness, pride, and hedonism than any tendency toward selfishness.


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02 Aug 2012, 12:04 pm

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Aspies can be just as selfish as NTs. In fact, selfishness is more common in men.

well as the aspergers ratio in the uk is men 8:1 woman it does mean it may seem like aspies are more selfish



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02 Aug 2012, 12:38 pm

My husband never expresses his emotions so he acts like he doesn't care about our son being gone and acts like he doesn't even exist. He never says a word about him nor even call my parents to see how he is doing nor even asks about him if they call. He says he doesn't need to ask because I tell him and he doesn't like to talk about things that give him pain nor think about them so he doesn't talk about him nor think about him. Some may think he is selfish and think sarcastically some dad he is. But he doesn't care what people think.

Some people can appear selfish because they don't express their emotions and feelings. My husband is one of those people and he is that private. I would think lot of men are like this but he tells me he does it more extreme than they do and that is what a doctor said when he was a kid.


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02 Aug 2012, 12:39 pm

League_Girl wrote:
My husband never expresses his emotions so he acts like he doesn't care about our son being gone and acts like he doesn't even exist. He never says a word about him nor even call my parents to see how he is doing nor even asks about him if they call. He says he doesn't need to ask because I tell him and he doesn't like to talk about things that give him pain nor think about them so he doesn't talk about him nor think about him. Some may think he is selfish and think sarcastically some dad he is. But he doesn't care what people think.

Some people can appear selfish because they don't express their emotions and feelings. My husband is one of those people and he is that private. I would think lot of men are like this but he tells me he does it more extreme than they do and that is what a doctor said when he was a kid.


or he's a cyborg in disguise



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02 Aug 2012, 12:42 pm

Its selfish of the Op to drop an accusation like this on to autistics suffering a crises of identity, mostly created a difficult world

Its like saying:

Why are black people angry?
Why are rich people snobby?
Why are poor people complaining?



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02 Aug 2012, 12:44 pm

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Why are black people angry?


Whyy?



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02 Aug 2012, 1:37 pm

nrau wrote:
Surfman wrote:

Why are black people angry?


Whyy?
There's no connection between being black and being angry. Black culture does allow for somewhat more open expression of emotion (Hispanic even more so--here I'm talking about American black and Hispanic, to clarify)... But as for them being any angrier than average, that has not been my experience.

I suppose that black people might be more angry about racism than most people are, but that makes sense; they are often targeted by racism and when they are, they have a right to be angry about it. Maybe black people are angrier because of that; but that's like saying that girls are bitchier because men keep pinching their butts. Yeah, well, if somebody pinched my butt, I'd be extremely bitchy to them, and they'd deserve it, neh?


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03 Aug 2012, 2:19 am

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Yes... abusive relationships are a bad idea. Therapy is a much better idea. Even if its feeling like going through this is part of why I'm having more meltdowns and fewer shutdowns and its messing with my self esteem a pretty huge amount. I hate meltdowns. I want my primarily being a shutdown person back.


A few years ago, a friend had to explicitly tell me "take care of yourself first." Because I expressed guilt over needing to take care of myself after some stressful stuff happened with me, and then the same person instigated even more stressful nonsense with said friend and I wasn't able to step up and support her the way she had supported me a few days prior.



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03 Aug 2012, 3:29 am

Most people that try and get to know me, stop hanging around me because I'm so selfish. I used to perform music live, but stopped after hearing that people were tired of my arrogance. I hate being arrogant, but I can't help it. That's just a major flaw of mine. I've always wanted things done my way, and I rarely like to compromise, unless it benefits me a great deal.



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07 Aug 2012, 6:34 pm

I sense that selfishness (or lack there of) has quite a bit more to do nurture, rather than nature.

Where Aspergers (characterized with difficulties in empathizing with others) is a factor, Aspergers individuals are often very receptive towards learning (from thoughtful family, friends, counselors, teachers) to reciprocate others favors, consider other people needing help, and exercising manners and courtesies as second-nature.

Personally, I feel fortunate to understand that I can benefit from help, and relationships with thoughtful neuro-typical, and Aspergers people alike; because of an understanding that assistance is mutual; that is help can only work as a two (or more) way street.

On larger issues, I've found the Internet as 'a godsend of sorts' to assist on social, political, and even environmental agendas both near and far. Even through donating to charities; I always strive to understand, "what more can be done to make a bigger difference?"

The wisdom that a person (or persons) are either part of a problem, or part of a solution is a strong sentiment!

The "fly in the ointment" (to supplement Internet resources) are difficulties with face to face interaction; which ironically can stem out of concerns of....a selfish world at large!



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09 Aug 2012, 10:54 am

Naturally, yes. To get past being selffish has been a long process with me, even finding "normal" levels of compassion, empathy, etc. Nowadays, depending on the person, I have far more then your typical NT.



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09 Aug 2012, 1:06 pm

I'm so not selfish. :( I've token it too far, too...(I love 'colder' characters now like Silver from the g/s/c pokemon games because of it.....I honistly just want to care LESS, at this point.)


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09 Aug 2012, 1:24 pm

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Absolutely the opposite in my case, always putting others before myself to be liked.
Zero self-worth for decades...

Nope, not at all.


Yeah, I'm pretty much the opposite, too.


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09 Aug 2012, 1:26 pm

Its natural to put yourself before others. But I don't think selfishness is so simple. Its not selfish to not give money to charity if you can barely afford to buy food and pay rent. Its not selfish to put your need before someone else's desire. And I wouldn't consider it to be selfish to think about yourself if you struggle to empathise with people.

I don't think I'm more selfish than NTs, and I'm probably less so, given that I help people when I'm capable and aware of a need. But I may be wrong.



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09 Aug 2012, 1:36 pm

Here is a very good example of how NT-s care about others. So in Russia it is very common to refuse food when offered, to offer soemone else the better spot, etc. So one would typically assume its because they care about each other, and 99% of your experience would confirm that. But here is an example that shows their true colors. So my father had a tent that was standing right across teh water tube (basically they put tents on the ship and there was limitted room). So then everyone was saying they can sleep at the edge and "offering each other" a "better" place in the middle (and the said "better place" has that water tube across it). Quite sinister, isn't it. But now look at all the other situations (very far away from taht ship) when they offer each other a better spot which is IN FACT better, since that is what Russian culture would expect. So during all these 99% of times when something that looks better is in fact better tehy build a false image of altruism, but then during that rare occasion when the above is not the case, they utilize that false image in a very selfish pursuit.

Now back to the topic of this thread. Perhaps selfishness is common among both aspies AND NT-s. It is simply that NT-s know how to mask it a lot better.