do you think it's harder to be a guy or a girl as an aspy?

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09 Aug 2012, 12:07 am

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The biggest factor is innate severity of the disorder.


totally agree



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09 Aug 2012, 12:11 am

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I think personally that being a female in the spectrum is harder in terms of social expectations. And I think this not only because I am female but because people expect a lot more socially from females and because we learn how to gloss over our difficulties, generally, we fall between the cracks. What this means in the long run is that A. we are expected to function normally and we try to fill this, but when our behavior and scripts and mimicry do not stand to serious scrutiny, we suffer social problems and hard times holding friendships and relationships while our difficulties are not believed.

I am saying this from personal experience.

I think males have it harder because (if i have interpreted correctly) men live in a very gender competitive environment. Boys and men always wish to excel above each other while females tend to be able to find one or two good friends who help them keep up and to navigate through social and environmental situations.

If i have a crying meltdown in public, my friend tends to comfort me, rather than think it is out of place immediately or make me feel like a sore thumb. In retrospect I think a male would have a hard time finding another male friend to do the same.

Again this is all scholarly speculation paired with personal experience. I am in no shape or form that well informed in social culture >,<


It simply isn't competition. They need to form relationships for networking in life. If you lack those skills, your social circle will fail and makes life (especially finding a job) harder.



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09 Aug 2012, 1:09 am

probably girls in that it's harder to get a diagnosis because it is socaily acceptable for a girl to be quiet or shy where as boy's it's much more obvious. So girls will go longer without therapy, will be blamed more for their mistakes and not be given acess to an aids in school or in the comunity.



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09 Aug 2012, 1:32 am

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Interesting how many people interpreted this as which gender has it harder in relationships.
Considering the average age of WP users, it's understandable. Teens and twenty-somethings are socially expected to be getting into romance, dating, etc. and it's very hard on people that age to deal with the pressure. Even the asexuals feel it, though not nearly so strongly, since our own desires don't back it up.


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09 Aug 2012, 1:46 am

I think the best way to put it is that it is hard to be an aspie no matter what gender or orientation you happen to be. Each person's life is their own private social hell and it's hard to rate the actual difficulty of their experiences against another person's as no one knows how bad the emotional toll is to each person.


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09 Aug 2012, 2:42 am

Dillogic wrote:
The biggest factor is innate severity of the disorder.


Is that a Krogan in your user picture?



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09 Aug 2012, 3:00 am

outofplace wrote:
I think the best way to put it is that it is hard to be an aspie no matter what gender or orientation you happen to be. Each person's life is their own private social hell and it's hard to rate the actual difficulty of their experiences against another person's as no one knows how bad the emotional toll is to each person.

I was thinking to write something like this but obviously I can't express my thoughts in such a non-offensive, wise way, thank you.



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09 Aug 2012, 4:39 am

I'm not talking about relationships at all because that depends on the person. I'm talking more about conforming in day to day life.


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09 Aug 2012, 4:58 am

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Is that a Krogan in your user picture?


For Tuchanka!

(Yep. It's Grunt from ME2.)



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09 Aug 2012, 4:59 am

Dillogic wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
Is that a Krogan in your user picture?


For Tuchanka!

(Yep. It's Grunt from ME2.)


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09 Aug 2012, 6:17 am

I'd say it's completely random who has it harder between the genders. A good-looking aspie male is likely to have more friends, more people approaching him generally, more opportunities for sex or to find a relationship etc than a less attractive aspie female, so in that respect gender is irrelevant as it's looks that are the parameter. What the aspie male does about these opportunities is a different matter as I've noticed people vary greatly in their abilities to capitalise on their advantages.

It's all to do with the extent to which an individual can make the most of their strengths and work to overcome their weaknesses in my opinion. There will always be people who have it easier than yourself in life just as there will be those who have it far worse. BUT - things can rapidly go from ideal to hellish for anyone, no matter what their advantages, as life is so random. In a weird way it often seems to even itself out in many ways.



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09 Aug 2012, 4:41 pm

Who_Am_I wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
Probably men, even though being a woman with AS can probably be sh!tty sometimes as well. Men are expected to be party animals, extroverted and so on, whereas women are allowed to be shy and quiet.


On the other hand, men can be the "strong but silent" type, and they can be emotionally clueless and seen as "just men", whereas women who aren't nurturing and bubbly are seen as "ice queens" or b*****s.


The strong, silent stereotype is only found in movies aimed at other men. A silent guy who doesn't party every weekend (even if said person can bench press 330 lbs, earns 200K a year and has a master's degree in science) is boring. A party animal who knows all the night club owners in the city, parties every weekend and has access to party drugs is not.

Furthermore, testosterone tends to make men less chatty. This is a fact Twillight and MTV seems to ignore.

Furthermore, a woman can rely on looks alone to make friends (unless she's very socially awkward). A man can not.



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09 Aug 2012, 5:12 pm

The "strong, silent type" thing fails horribly the moment when someone tries to talk to you. They expect smooth, swave, calm, comforting... and if you're none of those they get freaked out (or disgusted) by the dissonance pretty fast (between the image in their mind and the reality in front of their face). Sort of a "ret*d that looks like a normal person" reaction. Ultimately, people still expect you to be a normal guy.

At this point, I'd much rather have people assume that I'm weird (or even brain-damaged) than the "strong, silent" type. Too many bad (and unasked-for) experiences, there.



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09 Aug 2012, 6:01 pm

Living up to the "strong and silent" stereotype is only possible if you look like a late 20's Dolph Lundgren.



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16 Aug 2012, 12:55 am

Mirror21 wrote:
Boys and men always wish to excel above each other


No

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In retrospect I think a male would have a hard time finding another male friend to do the same.


I've gone to the funeral of an acquaintance and arguably helped him mentally reconstruct himself.


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16 Aug 2012, 2:08 am

I think it must be harder for women. Emotional expression is one of the main impairments and there is more expectation of emotional expression from women.