Why I'll Never Understand the NT World

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Of course, but I didn't touch here on the motivations of the person being corrected. I only talked about how you can neutralize them or fall prey to them, depending on your relationship with the group.

Yep, I absolutely destroyed the ball on my next pitch and made everyone's jaw drop. It probably would have left a major league ballpark I hit it so hard. Furthermore, I knew before I swung that would happen like I could see the future: it was a weird feeling.

I also had a similar incident at a ball hockey game many years ago when I was the goalie. I had a similar run in with the league organizer before the game and was absolutely furious with him (since he had a nasty, almost violent temper it was a much worse incident). Despite being outshot 73-67 and outplayed we won 17-1! Basically, in this league that's nearly impossible because it's so high scoring (average 25+ goals a game). I still to this day hold the record for the single best save % in league history by a significant margin even though I was near the bottom stats wise before and after that event. People literally were speechless after that one and mobbed me to congratulate me on that superhuman performance and what did I do? Continue the argument from before the game like I never even played at all. Yep, I'm an Aspie!

Your commentary on group dynamics was excellent.

* Just to note: I know the focus was on non-autistics BUT the Autism community uses a similar hybrid method to neutralize or others fall prey to it's members BUT it's done on the super information highway.


TheSunAlsoRises

Neurotypical people do not have a monopoly on f***wittery. Autistic people can be douchebags too!

I found your post extremely interesting and enlightening.
You see, there is a perception of the unathletic Autistic person.
It's good to see a post that tears down that stereotype.
Congratulations and continued success.

TheSunAlsoRises

LoL.

TheSunAlsoRises

Thank you, theSunAlsoRises, I just share the conclusions I've reached on my own and from this website and reading on the web...

Thank you. Again, I don't want to dominate this thread but I would like to mention I had to overcome a lot of adversity to get to where I am. I was universally excluded from most school sports events even though I wasn't THAT bad but at least was fortunate enough to meet three wonderful summer day camp counselors who were so caring and understanding. I wanted to play (ice) hockey for many years but had the problem of not being able to skate because of my atrocious posture so I did the research and spend many, many hours teaching myself to skate. People literally don't believe me when I tell them I've only known how to skate for 7 years and am 100% self taught. I also had to compensate for my poor motor control and lack of focus (like Einstein, my head can be in the clouds) and spent many hours staying late working on my technique and studying many games carefully. In short, it was hard and few nobody will ever be able to understand what I had to overcome but I did it. Don't let the stereotypes fool you: hockey players (especially younger ones) are some of the most respectful and accepting people you will ever meet and it was the best life decision I ever made! I have met a ton of great people who like and accept me for who I am, quirks and all.

A couple of side notes: I had horrible back problems growing up and was in pain almost daily but since I started hockey the pain has almost completely disappeared. I should also mention that the advice given to me by two former pro hockey players in their books was to give up because people like me aren't cut out for hockey. Where's the giant middle finger Emoticon?

The problem with many sports in america and canada today are when you can tryout. You don't see many hockey players who have birthdays in the later months such as december.

Funny, I was just thinking at work the other day how I differ from most people because when I need to find strength, I find it from within, and when they need to find strength, they find it from without. And one of our weaknesses is actually believing that the truth is worth more than its weight in paper because it's the essential crux of our existence/thought. Although I do not know if it is accurate to call it a weakness because it is generally based on an idea of a possibility that most people would not bother to think about; they only know one thing, and that is what is, not what could be. To borrow an idea from ST, to them, resistance is futile, nothing more or less.

Ain't that the truth. Twice now have I been dropped from jobs for that very reason. Of course, both times they gave me a faux reason that had no basis in fact: my supposed 'low productivity rate'. I was faster than some of the more 'popular', 'socially adept' people on the job!

CS, that's also why I'm always fired, and always given a ridiculously untrue reason or given no reason at all.

Ben, I've seen people who'd rather die believing a lie believed by all than be saved by a truth only they believe in. The movie about the Titanic (the first movie, the old one) showed this very clearly. It's known that a lot more people could've survived the wreck if they'd thought logically, but most of the survivors of the impact followed a charismatic guy the wrong way, and when another man told them to follow him because the logical way was up, to the bottom of the ship (it was upside down), they shunned him - because he was alone in his thinking. It's believed that the people knew he was right, but no one followed him for fear of losing the group. The few who followed him were the only survivors of the wreck.

Perhaps this group think/herd mentality has a dual purpose - it ensures the group stick together (as there are many advantages to be gained from being part of the group), but if the group is following a 'bad' leader they could all die (as in the Titanic example given above), hence it also functions as a form of population control/weeds out the less intelligent/less well-adapted.

If life is all about survival of the fittest, the person who usually follows the group but for a vital life or death decision uses their own brain instead to more accurately weigh up the risks of continuing to follow the group, will be the fittest/most likely to survive. So people need to be able to do both group think and individual thinking to maximise their advantages in life.

'Ultra NT's' specialise in total group think and people with ASD's specialise in ultra individual thinking - they are therefore both extremes that disadvantage the person as the ideal is to be in the middle (from a survival and gaining benefits point of view)

If you apply logic in situations to evaluate if it's a good idea to follow the herd this time or not, then you're non-NT. In NTs, the protection of the group is always the prevailing, top value, and it's instinctive and unconscious. I don't think you can have both the NT and the non-NT instinct prevail; it's either one prevails or the other.

If you don't like to be corrected, try not to correct others.

I'd tend to disagree. Autistic traits can be found within the general population - it's only when there are too many traits that it becomes a difficulty. I have Asperger's Syndrome myself and my brother has a phD in Geology and does lab research - he uses logic for his job but in no way is he on the autistic spectrum. Logic is not the sole preserve of autistic people and this split between NTs and people with an ASD is not scientific, it's arbitrarily placed by people purely on observation and individual interpretation of behaviour.

Lots of people like to be in with a group sometimes but also like to think for themselves and do things on their own at other times so in my opinion it's not a hard and fast rule.

I would be more likely to class people who follow the group blindly all the time as stupid as opposed to NT. There's plenty of stupidity and group think among people on the autistic spectrum as well as among so-called NTs. This idea of all people with Aspergers/HF having superior logical thinking skills is, from my own experience highly fallacious. Many of the people with Aspergers I've come across are trying desperately to fit in with NT culture and that, by default, involves a severe amount of dumbing down.