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19 Aug 2012, 1:47 am

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Sometimes I see people who are severly autistic and I think it is, but then I see people like Amanda Baggs (see vid below) and I change my mind.

Going by your join date, I'm not certain if you're aware, but Amanda used to be a frequent poster here on WrongPlanet, under the username 'anbuend'. I miss her insights.

I've been around a while -longer than my post date actually, but I didn't know she was on here. She's got really good insights -she's amazing

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19 Aug 2012, 2:31 am

its only a disability if you let be one.

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19 Aug 2012, 5:31 am

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its only a disability if you let be one.

Surely that depends on what problems you actually have?

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19 Aug 2012, 6:11 am

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its only a disability if you let be one.

And it also depend on the severity of a person's Autism as well. Some with Autism is so severely disabled that nothing will ever change.

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19 Aug 2012, 7:34 am

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its only a disability if you let be one.

And it also depend on the severity of a person's Autism as well. Some with Autism is so severely disabled that nothing will ever change.

Exactly. Regardless of where you are on the spectrum, it can be pretty disabling.

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19 Aug 2012, 7:36 am

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its only a disability if you let be one.

So I choose to be so anxious, compulsive, impulsive, stressed, and exhausted that I can't go to school? Or prove that I have talent when I actually did go?

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19 Aug 2012, 8:25 am

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This is bugging me qutie a lot but really WHY do people consider aspergers too be a disability?

I signed on for a job the other day and the lady who interviewed me mentioned about aspergers and used the word "disability"

i agree as well that it should be considered more of a difference than a disability but people still don't seem too want too view AS in that way.

I can see where Aspergers can be a disablility depending where it is on the Autism Spectrum. Otherwise, as long as a person can work and live on his or her own, it is just being different. Many with Aspergers make much better employees than many NTs. When you are dealing with many NTs, they just don't understand.

But being disabled don't mean a person is nonfunctional either. Disabled people can do a lot of many different things even earning a pay check from home.

No.

I can work and live on my own and I am still disabled.

Being "disabled" does not come down to whether or not one can "work." Blind people and people in wheelchairs can and do work and live on their own. Are they no longer "disabled?" :roll:

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19 Aug 2012, 8:32 am

chris5000 wrote:

its only a disability if you let be one.

If you're not disabled, you don't have Aspergers.

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19 Aug 2012, 9:27 am

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its only a disability if you let be one.

If you're not disabled, you don't have Aspergers.

Not technically quite true. Disability is a stronger term than disorder. It's possible to have clinically significant impairment and not have it limit major life activities.

It is always a disorder that has clinically significant impairment, but clinically significant impairment doesn't always make it a disability.

When it comes to the autistic spectrum, it feels like it'd be quite unusual to fall into the category in between those two borderlines, but that's only intuition that says that, and this is a place where my intuition could be very wrong quite easily, because I thought I was a very mild case for a decade (why else would they not diagnose me).

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19 Aug 2012, 9:59 am

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chris5000 wrote:

its only a disability if you let be one.

If you're not disabled, you don't have Aspergers.

I disagree. Some people with AS have virtually no problem at all.

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19 Aug 2012, 10:39 am

Tuttle wrote:

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chris5000 wrote:

its only a disability if you let be one.

If you're not disabled, you don't have Aspergers.

Not technically quite true. Disability is a stronger term than disorder. It's possible to have clinically significant impairment and not have it limit major life activities.

Nope.

"Impaired" verses "disabled" is a matter of categorical hair-splitting that comes down to which term you prefer to use to describe your difficulties in the context of your circumstances.

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19 Aug 2012, 10:39 am

Wandering_Stranger wrote:

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chris5000 wrote:

its only a disability if you let be one.

If you're not disabled, you don't have Aspergers.

I disagree. Some people with AS have virtually no problem at all.

Then they don't have Aspergers.

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19 Aug 2012, 10:48 am

XFilesGeek wrote:

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chris5000 wrote:

its only a disability if you let be one.

If you're not disabled, you don't have Aspergers.

I disagree. Some people with AS have virtually no problem at all.

Then they don't have Aspergers.

Even those who are diagnosed? Many hide their problems. This does not make them any less disabled.

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19 Aug 2012, 10:54 am

Wandering_Stranger wrote:

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chris5000 wrote:

its only a disability if you let be one.

If you're not disabled, you don't have Aspergers.

I disagree. Some people with AS have virtually no problem at all.

Then they don't have Aspergers.

Even those who are diagnosed? Many hide their problems. This does not make them any less disabled.

If they have no problems, they do not have Aspergers.

"Hiding" your problems is not the same thing as "having virtually no problems."

As for people with "no problems" getting diagnosed, one of the reasons they're redefining "Aspergers" is because too many people are starting to use it as a "personality type," and that includes mental health professionals who can't distinguish between introversion and autism. I repeat, if you're not impaired/disabled, then you do not have a "disorder," and "Aspergers Disorder" is classified as a DISORDER.

The DSM does not exist to define "personality types."

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19 Aug 2012, 10:55 am

XFilesGeek wrote:

Tuttle wrote:

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chris5000 wrote:

its only a disability if you let be one.

If you're not disabled, you don't have Aspergers.

Not technically quite true. Disability is a stronger term than disorder. It's possible to have clinically significant impairment and not have it limit major life activities.

Nope.

"Impaired" verses "disabled" is a matter of categorical hair-splitting that comes down to which term you prefer to use to describe your difficulties in the context of your circumstances.

No, there are actually differences. Also, disability is a legal term not a medical term.

Some who needs glasses is impaired. Someone who is blind is disabled.
Everyone with depression is impaired, most people with depression are not disabled by it, but a few are.

It happens that when it comes to the autism spectrum, being considered on the autistic spectrum is about equivalent to being considered disabled, but impairment and disability are not equivalent terms. The differences do matter.

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19 Aug 2012, 11:03 am

Tuttle wrote:

Not quite.

"Impairments" can become "disabilities" quite easily when circumstances change.

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It happens that when it comes to the autism spectrum, being considered on the autistic spectrum is about equivalent to being considered disabled, but impairment and disability are not equivalent terms. The differences do matter.

No, they're murky, closely-related terms that are often distinguished from each other based on personal preference; hence why people have to get evaluated to determine if they're "disabled" or merely "impaired" and it often comes down to the "opinion" of a judge/some other legal entity.

It would be convenient if there was a clear line between "impaired" and "disabled," but there isn't.

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