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07 Feb 2013, 9:39 pm

IQ testing is not so straight forward as suggested by this discussion.

Depending on what you are testing IQ tests can give wide ranges of results when taken by people on the spectrum. In the 1950s IQ tests were very simple things often testing something like problem solving ability or math abilities or dexterity. When I was in the second grade my mother and my teacher had a major fight over weather I was capable of staying in school (back then there was no "main streaming"). My mother out witted the teacher by making sure the IQ test that was administered to me was strongly centered on problem solving and when the test showed that my IQ was above 190 the school district kept me in the school - and did not renew the teachers contract for the next year. Of course a couple years latter someone tested me with a test that was centered around social skills and development - and came up with something like an 80. The over the next few years I was given several different IQ tests (at the district's expense) that each placed my IQ at many different levels.

Today one of the methods of verifying Asperger's is to give a bank of IQ type tests and then examine the results - if you have a nice level line through the test results all at about the same level - you are not Asperger's, However, if your scores vary widely then you are likely to be Asperger's (you also need to show deficits in social ability). My son's diagnosis was confirmed by a bank of tests that placed his social abilities in the lowest 2%, his visual organizational skills in the lower 10% of all people yet place his problem solving ability better than 99% of all takers of that test and very high levels of pattern recondition and logical progressions. In the end the testing agency estimated his "over all IQ around 125". Note that his IQ is estimated not given. Both the fact that some test results were so far off the norm that they could not get be sure of the accuracy and also no one knows quite how to average out such wide variations and come up with a valid answer.

So one must take IQ numbers with a grain of salt - especially for people on the spectrum.


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07 Feb 2013, 9:55 pm

MrPickles wrote:
IQ testing is not so straight forward as suggested by this discussion.

Depending on what you are testing IQ tests can give wide ranges of results when taken by people on the spectrum. In the 1950s IQ tests were very simple things often testing something like problem solving ability or math abilities or dexterity. When I was in the second grade my mother and my teacher had a major fight over weather I was capable of staying in school (back then there was no "main streaming"). My mother out witted the teacher by making sure the IQ test that was administered to me was strongly centered on problem solving and when the test showed that my IQ was above 190 the school district kept me in the school - and did not renew the teachers contract for the next year. Of course a couple years latter someone tested me with a test that was centered around social skills and development - and came up with something like an 80. The over the next few years I was given several different IQ tests (at the district's expense) that each placed my IQ at many different levels.

Today one of the methods of verifying Asperger's is to give a bank of IQ type tests and then examine the results - if you have a nice level line through the test results all at about the same level - you are not Asperger's, However, if your scores vary widely then you are likely to be Asperger's (you also need to show deficits in social ability). My son's diagnosis was confirmed by a bank of tests that placed his social abilities in the lowest 2%, his visual organizational skills in the lower 10% of all people yet place his problem solving ability better than 99% of all takers of that test and very high levels of pattern recondition and logical progressions. In the end the testing agency estimated his "over all IQ around 125". Note that his IQ is estimated not given. Both the fact that some test results were so far off the norm that they could not get be sure of the accuracy and also no one knows quite how to average out such wide variations and come up with a valid answer.

So one must take IQ numbers with a grain of salt - especially for people on the spectrum.


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08 Feb 2013, 1:15 am

Testing the IQ in autistic ppl is not very valid, my IQ in the subareas on those tests differs around 40 points from test to test.

So my IQ in certain areas could be nearly everything. :lol:


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08 Feb 2013, 10:02 am

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I was given an official test at 7 and maxed out on the score (135). I haven't taken any as an adult, but I don't really need to since I know I'm more intelligent than the majority of people anyway and don't need a number to wave my dick around. Intelligence is difficult to measure quantitatively; IQ is really not that useful beyond using it to get into certain organizations.


Yeah I agree, or to flaunt arrogantly or the like. The only real time it matters is for mental health organizations when you are down to 79 or lower so they can officially call you Intellectually Challenged (political correct term for mentally ret*d). Other than that it's a number to get into Mensa so you can feel better than everyone else when it's only just one measure and doesn't take into account how crappy a personality someone has or if they can function with society like we with ASD. You can have an IQ of 200 and sit at home unable to work due to other aspects of your brain not functioning properly or other mental disorders in general.

I knew a guy who had 157 IQ but never left his house do to severe Agoraphobia, but wasn't he smart enough to know the thoughts were silly, yes, but it still didn't help him at all, if anything it made it worse because he knew how stupid the thoughts were but couldn't control them thus made him very depressed which made things even worse, he committed suicide because of it.

So this argument I keep hearing from people around me offline how Asperger's was a fake disorder because anyone with an IQ of over 100 is just fine and able to function in society, it makes me mad and I chew them out saying how they seem to know more than thousands of doctors who spend no less than 5 years of college to get to the point they can say whats wrong, they typically shut up at that point, some apologize though how sincere it was is questionable.



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08 Feb 2013, 12:03 pm

To all of you in the spectrum whose IQs are off the charts:

Be very proud about it.

Why? Because IQ tests have been designed for us (NTs) and if you score above average in a test that wasn't even designed for your brains, then it still means you have superior cognitive skills. The fact that some values in the test are much higher than others does not diminish the final result.

However IQ does not measure capacity or potential. Someone with a very high IQ can have limited capacity due to a biological dysfunction or psychological issues; which ,sadly, seems to be the case of my son.


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08 Feb 2013, 9:13 pm

Moriel wrote:
To all of you in the spectrum whose IQs are off the charts:

Be very proud about it.

Why? Because IQ tests have been designed for us (NTs) and if you score above average in a test that wasn't even designed for your brains, then it still means you have superior cognitive skills. The fact that some values in the test are much higher than others does not diminish the final result.

However IQ does not measure capacity or potential. Someone with a very high IQ can have limited capacity due to a biological dysfunction or psychological issues; which ,sadly, seems to be the case of my son.

Good point...but it's fun to compare, obviously for those > 130 it may be good for their self-esteem...



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10 Feb 2013, 2:30 am

Sanctus wrote:
Maths: 139
Verbal skills: 150+ (the scale of the test I used ended at 150, and I had everything correct)

I did some other tests but don't remember the results. Most were somewhere around 140 though.

The sad thing is that I'm not really using this high IQ for anything. I'm lazy, disinterested in academic success and don't have a special interest I could use it for.


That last statement is me totally! o.o



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10 Feb 2013, 3:33 am

According to the numerous online tests I've taken, mine is somewhere between 115 and 126 with a verbal IQ of 134. After you pass IQ 120 individual drive and interest in learning are really all that matter as far as potential and ability are concerned. Case in point, I have a friend with an IQ of 145 who spent his entire first year at college smoking marijuana only to drop out the next year.


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