AS should be named Evolution Syndrome

Post Reply New Topic

My initial thread has been taken out of context we are all human equal to NT's just that evolution is an ongoing process and i believe that Autism is part of the evolutionary process.

Before i get ripped apart with my views i have an NT partner and children.

Until the scientists start to research Autism properly all sorts ot theory's will fly around.

Could it be the effects of things like DDT and Chernobyl? I remember hearing in History class that the effects of the radiation is still being felt, and I saw on a TV program some pretty bad deformities that are still around even though the plant blew up so long ago, at the very least you'd think it wouldn't do very much good for us.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/5145450.stm

Last edited by Deus_ex_machina on 11 Dec 2006, 6:08 am, edited 1 time in total.

Oh come on

"I think AS should be named Evolution Syndrome.

Most of our traits are positive traits, the only negative side to AS is because the majority of the population are NT, and the psychological disorders of knowing you do not fit in."?!

If it is Evolution then why would it be a syndrome? And saying that it's postitive is a gross misunderstanding of the condition, just look at all the Aspies without jobs, or that need help getting ones, some Aspies have huge proglems, and what you're saying is downplaying it, or even worse ignoring it.

a good hypothesis on the topic of evolution
http://www.wrongplanet.net/modules.php? ... ic&t=20528

He needs to do more research on Aspergers Syndrome, it's been found that when AS is involved there tends to be higher rates of divorce, this is hardly a good thing.

http://www.mental-health-matters.com/ar ... ?artID=868

it's called a syndrome because someone named it that....just the other day a guy came here saying to fill out a questionnaire with it as a 'disease' on it.... do you think just becos someone says something is true...it is?

at one point in the history of the world...everyone thought the earth was flat...now we know its not ...but you would have been chasing galileo around telling him ...O C'MON...please...such n such said its flat....its flat mmkay..

it is usually the case that things aren't fully understood when they first appear...so to rule out something as being possible seems a closeminded stance at this stage



so ur saying Einstein, Tesla, Turing etc etc aren't/weren't positives for humanity?

do you understand without aspergers...you would have no PC or internet to write these messages on?



i'll let u in on a secret....NT's are sometimes jobless and have problems aswell! do you think they are suffering from NT syndrome when this occurs?



to dismiss his thoughts based on that makes no sense to me? elaborate on why divorce rates prove all of what he was saying in his hypothesis wrong?

I think this was also published in Duh Quarterly and The Journal of the Blindingly Obvious. My wife is a saint.

Stripey-- your choice of words and phrases is somewhat inflammatory. Yes, there is a genetic aspect to AS, but genetics are only one part of evolution. The way you are putting your arguments across creates the impression that we are the next wave of humanity.

It is all very well for the higher-functioning of us to take on a superior air, but there are those of us for whom AS is debilitating. Yes, there have been some fantastic people on the spectrum, and there are many more that we can assume were autistic in some form or another, such as Gates, Einstein, Newton, and DaVinci. I myself have a pretty good life, and my father (who I see a lot of AS in) spent his entire career at NASA. But there are many of us who aren't so lucky. If I hadn't been blessed with a combination of good luck and people who looked out for me, I might not have gotten through my childhood without breaking.

I've heard some conjecture about it having a fetal component, which would make sense as to why it appears to run in some families but doesn't necessarily show up in all of them. *shrugs*

And I agree with Catalyst; I personally have relatively few problems with my AS that I cannot either channel into something else or camoflauge, mostly due to my own excellent luck as to family members, but I do feel for people who were not as lucky as I was and have many more problems than I do due to AS. Like most worthwhile things, AS has postive and negative aspects, and it is no coincidence that it and other ASDs are often discussed in the context of the latter.

Reductio ad Hitlerum really aggravates me. Enduring it is like chewing on aluminium foil. A trait will either prove of positive selection value, and thus pass the only test that matters; Grim, meathook reality. Or it will not. Whether or not one vocally allocates a high personal value upon it is incidental and irrelevant.

Would you please read what you write *before* you post it? You just keep using the exact same logic in every single post you use (The kind that is completely illogical), I've pointed it out and other people have too, as to this part of your post, such a high rate of divorce can't be good for the children can it? His THEORY is based on the idea that AS gets babies born faster, well from what I've seen the opposite is true.

And yet that is not what I am doing, he's doing what alot of people in Aspies For Freedom do, harp on about Aspie supriority and NT negativity, those guys always seem to act like we're the X-Men or something, he's are going to talk like that they might as well go over there and be with what I consider no better than Aspergers Syndrome supremacy.

this is his hypothesis:
"I speculate that those with Asperger's syndrome are the result of the human biological attempt at creating a better data storing, retrieving and advancing machine. Coinciding with the functions of modern technology, it’s all about the data and content, and the data flow/sharing. "

explain to me what that has to do with divorce and rates of birth? isn't he talking about how mental differences could be coinciding with technology?

"a good hypothesis on the topic of EVOLUTION"

Evolution doesn't work if the marriages are failing does it? Parents are supposed to provide for their children and they can't if they're a single parent much less a parent that can't hold down a marriage.

By the way it is clearly stated it is a theory not a hypothesis.

Alot of you too are overlooking the fact that, every time a "new model" in evolution came along, they looked like a total freak, their odds of reproducing were small. But it only took a few of them to do it over a long period of time.
Anyone who gets offended by this idea without even listening to it without bias are just being a bunch of politically correct ret*ds. I mean disagreeing is fine but some people act like theyr too afraid to even consider it. If facts offend someone I don't care, you can't change the facts so that nobody's feelings get hurt.
I'm not saying aspies are perfect either, but I could guarantee you our world would be alot less complicated. This isn't an attack against NTs either, but I'm sure some pc nutcases will try to make it into one..... Funny how pc people always defend the minority unless the minority still hasn't gained acceptance, then the majority takes the roll of the minority. I don't believe in bias one way or the other, but I won't deny facts to avoid ticking someone off either.

I agree with the skeptics. AS isn't evolution. It is *past* evolution. As have already been pointed out, anything that is evolving must reproduce more than others, and we only see Aspies reproduce *less* than NTs. If this continues, we'll become extinct and not the next step in human evolution.

Besides, the typical problems of AS cannot evolve, they are incredibly negative for the individual, and shouldn't be part of the human genome at all. If AS really was evolution, the positive traits would have evolved without any social drawbacks.

I have always thought this.