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23 Sep 2012, 10:04 am

In regards to myself. I do not really make or have friends. I would guess I have one or two. My husband and I met because he shared one of my interests. When I think back on it, if it was not for the connection with the special interest and his persistance with dating we would not have met.

Obviously, if you are a social person, no matter if you are physically attractive or not, you will meet more people and therefore have better odds of finding a mate.

PS- It seems to me that people that are more average looking have better, longer lasting relationships because they are getting married to the person for who they are on the inside, not what they look like on the outside.


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23 Sep 2012, 10:29 am

In my opinion, aspie women have an advantage over NT women in that they are often more intelligent, they think about things in more depth and therefore have a lot of interesting opinions ie they have interesting personalities. So while an NT female might seem outwardly more attractive in terms of what NT culture expects of them, on a one to one basis when talking to a man they are probably often quite boring. They don't tend to take an interest in the same subject matter as the average man while the aspie female is far more adaptable in terms of learning about new subjects, as a lot of us like learning new stuff. In this way I think aspie women are good at tailoring themselves to what the man wants in terms of interesting conversation. We talk to men as equals ie as an actual person, not just as a representative of the opposite gender as NT women seem to do, hence we can form a stronger bond as we are usually a good friend as well as a partner.

Also, you seem to be assuming that aspie women are having these relationships with NT men whereas I'd say a fair proportion of their partners will probably be neuro-diverse ie not NT.
They might be on the autistic spectrum or have ADHD, Dyslexia or Tourettes or Schizophrenia - any of the conditions that mean a person has non-standard brain wiring.

Another reason why there are so many unattached NT women is that they are often far too picky as regards what they want in a man - they often want a man to be rich and have a long list of requirements which few men could ever hope to meet - hence they remain alone whereas an aspie woman is more likely to take a man as he comes, without putting so much pressure on him to look and act a certain way. We have lower expectations in other words.



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23 Sep 2012, 11:04 am

NoGyroApproach wrote:
In regards to myself. I do not really make or have friends. I would guess I have one or two. My husband and I met because he shared one of my interests. When I think back on it, if it was not for the connection with the special interest and his persistance with dating we would not have met.

Then why are we not see this with aspie or even shy men then. Alot of you ladies are saying that you don't have many friends. Yet somehow you end with boyfriends or husband. A good husband that wants to stay with you as well. I know alot of nt shy men who have hard time making friends and they have no girlfriends. Yes there are apsie and shy men who are married but there are alot more single aspie men and shy men then aspie women



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23 Sep 2012, 11:07 am

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In regards to myself. I do not really make or have friends. I would guess I have one or two. My husband and I met because he shared one of my interests. When I think back on it, if it was not for the connection with the special interest and his persistance with dating we would not have met.

Then why are we not see this with aspie or even shy men then. Alot of you ladies are saying that you don't have many friends. Yet somehow you end with boyfriends or husband. A good husband that wants to stay with you as well. I know alot of nt shy men who have hard time making friends and they have no girlfriends. Yes there are apsie and shy men who are married but there are alot more single aspie men and shy men then aspie women


Finding a partner is easier than making friends in my opinion. Also aspie women are probably better at learning the parts of NT culture they need to learn to blend in better.



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23 Sep 2012, 11:15 am

To elaberate off of what Callista said.

When I make friendships they're incredibly deep and incredibly strong. It's also unusual for that to happen. What happened in the case of my relationship was we were close friends, where he was interested in me, I was aware of this and was accepting of this, he didn't push me, and then we accidentally fell into a romantic relationship from our friendship.

My boyfriend would also probably be given 4 different diagnoses including an ASD if he went and had a complete neuropsych evaluation (ASD - stilted type, ADHD, SPD/CAPD, and depression). It's not like I'm an autistic person dating a steoretypical NT. He's a geek, nerd, and twice exceptional probably autistic person, like me (except that I've been diagnosed).

In my case - I'm a passive type autistic person, but one of the things I really enjoy is actually listening to other people talking about their special interests if they're things I find a little interesting. This has worked well for us.



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23 Sep 2012, 11:19 am

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Ok. I've been reading here for a long time and I notice That alot of women on here have boyfriends or husband. But don't take this the wrong way, I don't believe alot of women here really have boyfriends I tell you why. Ok I saw this video once about a bunch of mid 30 year women who never been on date or in a relationship and these women were attractive, very social and yet had no boyfriends.
Now how is that all you aspie women who can't even make a single friend somehow have a boyfriend or a husband. I don't get how any aspie women can even be in long term relationship. I thought aspergers had social problems. I know that men ask women out and stuff but wouldn't most aspie women not get pass the first date. Wouldn't their ackward behavior scare most men off?
Im sure most of you aspie ladies are nice lady and stuff but I just don't get how so many of you can be so good in relationship yet there are so many very social nt women out there who can't even get a date.


I guess this automatically disqualifies me as I have AS and no bf. Never have for a long time and the last one I did was very brief and it was hardly what I would call a relationship.


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23 Sep 2012, 11:24 am

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Tuttle didn't say she can't make friends. She said it's hard for her. Similar to the way you could run a marathon, but it would be hard for you. (Assuming you have the time to train for it. Autistic people train for their whole lives.) We are usually (~75% of the time) introverts, but even an introvert wants and needs some social contact, if only the exchange of ideas on a forum like WP. The interesting thing about introverts, in fact, is that while we do not make a lot of friends, we tend to have deep, meaningful relationships with the few friends we do make. And there are autistic extroverts, too--the ones who talk to everyone, whom everyone knows, who are often confidently eccentric, the embodiment of the active-but-odd socialization style.
Fitting into society is not a prerequisite for having friends. Being different, being disabled, does not mean you will automatically be rejected. There are a lot of people--some disabled, some not--who actually prefer to interact with those who aren't quite normal. Look in any university science department; talk to the people peering through microscopes or working out equations. Check out the people backstage at the theater, or look up the local cat lady (and her six cats). Talk to immigrants and exchange students. Find artists, writers, musicians--or even stay-at-home parents with a playful take on life, or social savants who delight in connecting with just about anyone, equally at home chatting with a socialite or partying with a biker gang. There are eccentrics everywhere you look, and they won't be put off by an autistic's clumsy socialization. Many of them actually prefer it, because when you're autistic, you aren't good at deception or social games, so you don't really try to play them, because you'd be caught out in an instant. What you see is what you get, when it comes to most autistics. We've got an unusual perspective on the world--senses that pick up every detail whether we like it or not; the ability to fall in love with the oddest subjects, to see them with the excitement of a child discovering them for the first time.
There are, in short, quite a few people who have rejected the popular notion that a "desirable" person is pretty, successful, and conventionally charming. And they are discovering beauty of human diversity.


I like I said before why is it so different for women than men. you said being disabled doesn't mean to be rejected. Know I not trying to say that no aspie women can ever get dates. however how comes aspie men are not getting the same results (yes,yes some aspie men do date). Why is that a man who is good looking, very social is going to have a girlfriend or wife. Yet a ''semi'' loner aspie men is 90% likely to be single. It really baffle my mind how so many aspie women here who has more or less same type of problems and around same amount of social skills as aspie men and yet have more social issues than alot of these NT women I've said before. Yet all (or least alot) Can end in a very good relationship. where these aspie men and alot of nt women are single and never been in relationship.

I swear you aspie ladies are like ''men magnet'' even the average nt women don't even have this kind of luck when it comes to men.



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23 Sep 2012, 11:27 am

You have no way to know about the statement "a good husband who wants to stay with you too".

Autistic females are very prone to being in abusive relationships.

I've not been abused in a romantic situation but in non-romantic situations, I've had someone emotionally abuse me once, and attempt to abuse me and fail because I managed to be so naive it failed another time.



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23 Sep 2012, 11:31 am

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Tuttle didn't say she can't make friends. She said it's hard for her. Similar to the way you could run a marathon, but it would be hard for you. (Assuming you have the time to train for it. Autistic people train for their whole lives.) We are usually (~75% of the time) introverts, but even an introvert wants and needs some social contact, if only the exchange of ideas on a forum like WP. The interesting thing about introverts, in fact, is that while we do not make a lot of friends, we tend to have deep, meaningful relationships with the few friends we do make. And there are autistic extroverts, too--the ones who talk to everyone, whom everyone knows, who are often confidently eccentric, the embodiment of the active-but-odd socialization style.
Fitting into society is not a prerequisite for having friends. Being different, being disabled, does not mean you will automatically be rejected. There are a lot of people--some disabled, some not--who actually prefer to interact with those who aren't quite normal. Look in any university science department; talk to the people peering through microscopes or working out equations. Check out the people backstage at the theater, or look up the local cat lady (and her six cats). Talk to immigrants and exchange students. Find artists, writers, musicians--or even stay-at-home parents with a playful take on life, or social savants who delight in connecting with just about anyone, equally at home chatting with a socialite or partying with a biker gang. There are eccentrics everywhere you look, and they won't be put off by an autistic's clumsy socialization. Many of them actually prefer it, because when you're autistic, you aren't good at deception or social games, so you don't really try to play them, because you'd be caught out in an instant. What you see is what you get, when it comes to most autistics. We've got an unusual perspective on the world--senses that pick up every detail whether we like it or not; the ability to fall in love with the oddest subjects, to see them with the excitement of a child discovering them for the first time.
There are, in short, quite a few people who have rejected the popular notion that a "desirable" person is pretty, successful, and conventionally charming. And they are discovering beauty of human diversity.


I like I said before why is it so different for women than men. you said being disabled doesn't mean to be rejected. Know I not trying to say that no aspie women can ever get dates. however how comes aspie men are not getting the same results (yes,yes some aspie men do date). Why is that a man who is good looking, very social is going to have a girlfriend or wife. Yet a ''semi'' loner aspie men is 90% likely to be single. It really baffle my mind how so many aspie women here who has more or less same type of problems and around same amount of social skills as aspie men and yet have more social issues than alot of these NT women I've said before. Yet all (or least alot) Can end in a very good relationship. where these aspie men and alot of nt women are single and never been in relationship.

I swear you aspie ladies are like ''men magnet'' even the average nt women don't even have this kind of luck when it comes to men.


In my opinion aspie women can often have better social skills than aspie men or the social faux pas we make aren't as overt or taken as seriously by NTs.



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23 Sep 2012, 11:32 am

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I swear you aspie ladies are like ''men magnet'' even the average nt women don't even have this kind of luck when it comes to men.


Hmmm is this a fact or an opinion? Both of my NT sisters have bfs. I've always found getting a guy interested in me a challenge. In school I saw many girls date guys and felt left out. Anyway...you're entitled to your narrow opinion of NT and aspie women.


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23 Sep 2012, 11:32 am

My guess? (Complete guess, no evidence to back this up)

Autistic females who are in a relationship are more likely to mention being in one.
Autistic females who are not in a relationship are more likely to mention nothing.
Autistic males who are not in a relationship are more likely to mention not being in one.
Autistic males who are in a relationship are more likely to mention nothing.
Autistic genderqueer people are might go either way :)


Combine this with the fact that there's a 4:1 male:female diagnosis rate.



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23 Sep 2012, 11:45 am

Tuttle wrote:
My guess? (Complete guess, no evidence to back this up)

Autistic females who are in a relationship are more likely to mention being in one.
Autistic females who are not in a relationship are more likely to mention nothing.
Autistic males who are not in a relationship are more likely to mention not being in one.
Autistic males who are in a relationship are more likely to mention nothing.
Autistic non-binary people are might go either way :)

Combine this with the fact that there's a 4:1 male:female diagnosis rate.


This was true for me. I'm not sure why but I felt like I was expected to be in one or there was something wrong with me. I only speak for myself of course. Also I think there are males than females diagnosed so this board gives little diversity to women. As for NT women, I think some want to settle down, some want to be in open relationships and some want to just remain single. I really can't see a huge difference except that I think being NT doesn't automatically make you immune to being socially quirky or shy. Not everyone who isn't on the spectrum is socially "normal" or outgoing per se.


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23 Sep 2012, 11:51 am

I feel a bit hurt after reading this. I am an aspie female with a NT housband. I have been maried for 10 years. I am loyal, great in bed, and I just say what I think and want so my housband does not have to gues all the time. Aspie ladies can be great partners IMO



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23 Sep 2012, 11:59 am

alot of good answer here. So what Im getting at is. Alot of aspie ladies even though you don't have alot of friends. There is just something about you ladies that can get a man interest in you. Maybe alot of men just don't bother with alot of these succesful,good looking women because they think they have no chance and so they end talking to one of you ladies and find out that you ladies are not bad. But it's too bad we don't see alot of nt women doing the same thing. I think it sad that so many aspie men are never in relationship because so many women have a stigma against shy or social akward men.
and also sad that so many men would pass a succesful women because he assume she wouldn't like him. I sure there are alot of very great succesul women and aspie men out there that can make great partner or just a good friend.

it sad that so many women would rather date an abusive as*hole man than a nice aspie male
sad that so many men would rather date an lazy welfare queen than an smart, succesful female



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23 Sep 2012, 12:02 pm

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it sad that so many women would rather date an abusive as*hole man than a nice aspie male
sad that so many men would rather date an lazy welfare queen than an smart, succesful female

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billiscool wrote:
alot of good answer here. So what Im getting at is. Alot of aspie ladies even though you don't have alot of friends. There is just something about you ladies that can get a man interest in you. Maybe alot of men just don't bother with alot of these succesful,good looking women because they think they have no chance and so they end talking to one of you ladies and find out that you ladies are not bad. But it's too bad we don't see alot of nt women doing the same thing. I think it sad that so many aspie men are never in relationship because so many women have a stigma against shy or social akward men.
and also sad that so many men would pass a succesful women because he assume she wouldn't like him. I sure there are alot of very great succesul women and aspie men out there that can make great partner or just a good friend.

it sad that so many women would rather date an abusive as*hole man than a nice aspie male
sad that so many men would rather date an lazy welfare queen than an smart, succesful female



Wow just wow. You really have a low opinion of women with AS don't you? I'm done here.


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