i could probably kill someone if i wanted to

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09 Feb 2013, 9:41 pm

My father has a deep love and respect for all animals--more so than human beings--and he is a hunter.

I do not know that I have ever hated anyone before, so I do not know if that would make me want to kill someone.

I guess the only way I can relate other than my occasional desire to slap someone because they have pinged my "thou shalt not be a self-absorbed, inconsiderate jerk" rule is that I know I would kill anyone if I felt I had to, to protect my children.

But it isn't like I walk around thinking about people threatening my kids and me needing to kill them in response. I think that would not be "normal."

BTW, I have heard numerous psychs tell people all sorts of things are "normal" because they coddle and want to make people feel better. I have also known psychs who think their inner issues are "normal" despite the fact that they are dysfunctional. They just can't see it because it belongs to them. It's kind of the same thing that happened when I saw my kids doing a variety of "things" and I brushed it off by saying "I did that when I was a kid!" Yes. I did. And it was a sign of atypical wiring back then, too.


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09 Feb 2013, 9:44 pm

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However, the vast majority of people report having thought about killing someone.


Citations, please? The vast majority of which people? The vast majority of people who see psychologists or psychiatrists? The vast majority of people who read a particular magazine? The vast majority of people who are friends with someone? I still do not believe that "the vast majority" of people think of killing other people. I would bet that the "vast majority" of people who I associate with have not.

I don't mean to be argumentative, but when people say things like "report," I want to see the data. Preferably from more than one reliable source.
Duntley J. Homicidal Ideations [e-book]. US: ProQuest Information & Learning; 2006. Available from: PsycINFO, Ipswich, MA. Accessed February 9, 2013.
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Tens of thousands of murders are committed worldwide each year, yet the psychology of homicide is not well understood. Although a number of theories have been proposed to explain homicide, none provide a complete or compelling account of existing patterns of murder and all are silent on the topic of the homicidal fantasies experienced by adults in the general population. A novel, adaptationist approach to homicide is employed in the current research to generate specific predictions about people's homicidal ideations. Murder is hypothesized to have contributed to the solution to recurrent problems faced by our ancestors, such as threats of physical harm, spousal infidelity, reputational damage, sexual victimization, and threats to the well-being of kin. Specific hypotheses about the nature and content of people's homicidal ideations are generated from this adaptationist explanation, including: (a) The majority of homicidal fantasies will involve killing others who are not genetically related; (b) When men and women experience a homicidal fantasy as a result of their romantic partners' infidelity or cues to infidelity, they will be more likely to think of killing the intrasexual rival their partner is cheating with rather than their romantic partner; and (c) Men will be more likely than women to report experiencing a homicidal thought as a result of a romantic partner's infidelity. To test these and other hypotheses, participants from the Austin community completed a survey instrument that asked a series of questions about their most memorable fantasy of killing someone else. Seventy-six percent of women and 91 percent of men reported having at least one homicidal thought in their lifetime. The person both men and women most frequently thought of killing was an intrasexual rival. The majority of homicidal fantasies involved the murder of someone who was not a genetic relative. Men were significantly more likely than women to have a murder fantasy triggered by a romantic partner's infidelity. Women were more likely than men think of killing a rival who damaged their sexual reputation. These and other findings were predicted in advance by Homicide Adaptation Theory (Buss & Duntley, under review). (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2012 APA, all rights reserved)


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09 Feb 2013, 9:50 pm

ROFL!

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Oh, goodness! The sample comes from Texas!

Am I the only one who finds that very funny????

Nothing against Texans. I actually wanted to move there but was thwarted by my ex.

So, what you can say is that the majority of people who took part in a single study who live in a state that supports capital punishment and is known for being "atypical" to much of the rest of the US (not necessarily in bad ways, just different) have had homicidal ideations.

OK. I can give you that.

But I still don't buy that "the vast majority of people" have.


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09 Feb 2013, 10:02 pm

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Congratulations, you have now discovered that you're in fact a predator (yep, females too), and modern society has coddled you far too much for too long that you're just realizing it now, when your emotions and hormones are one big mess.

Get your dad to take you hunting or fishing, and clean the animals yourself (or get whomever your carer is to take you).


well i only think about killing people, not animals, i love animals and i hate seeing them hurt. in my opinion the human raise is destructive and overpopulated and must be extinguished, i constantly draw people being ripped apart.



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09 Feb 2013, 10:06 pm

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well i only think about killing people, not animals, i love animals and i hate seeing them hurt. in my opinion the human raise is destructive and overpopulated and must be extinguished, i constantly draw people being ripped apart.


Certainly no one will call this "normal."

You need help, or perhaps attention. I don't know which one.


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09 Feb 2013, 10:12 pm

InThisTogether wrote:
ZombieBrideXD wrote:

well i only think about killing people, not animals, i love animals and i hate seeing them hurt. in my opinion the human raise is destructive and overpopulated and must be extinguished, i constantly draw people being ripped apart.


Certainly no one will call this "normal."

You need help, or perhaps attention. I don't know which one.



well, with one exception, i also want to help people, people like me. Being around other aspies, i feel no anxiety or even anything, i would love to live in a world with only aspies and auties



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09 Feb 2013, 10:22 pm

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ROFL!


Note that that's ideation over a specific person (which is the "bad" type of thoughts to have), rather than basic violent thoughts directed at no one in particular (which are the "normal" ones). I'm surprised that ideation was so high, personally.



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09 Feb 2013, 10:51 pm

Life is murder, simply look under the microscope for long enough. Just because people tend to realise that over a long period of time, doesn't make them any less culpable of it. The definition of a biological life form is the ability to reproduce, evolve and metabolise. All three methodologies require a degree of destruction. Our advantage as "wide angle" degree "observers" of reality in order to do all three things doesn't absolve us from being recognizant of our "murderous" tendencies in the environment we live in. We simply tend to be more "observant" and "considerate" of our tendencies to do so. Creation does not exist without destruction. Everything else that claims "purity" from this perception is simply "perfection" (death and non-existence in it's purest form). Life is imperfection and imperfection is beauty (as one once famous slut once said). Death is a natural part of life and claiming otherwise tends to make oneself a slave to other peoples' "perfect" interpretation of that state. Obviously I should have never became a philosopher. Where is my hemlock damn it.



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09 Feb 2013, 11:45 pm

ZombieBrideXD wrote:

well, with one exception, i also want to help people, people like me. Being around other aspies, i feel no anxiety or even anything, i would love to live in a world with only aspies and auties

Do yourself a favor ZombieBride, go talk to your doctor or counselor about it. As for this thread... I hate to say it but, people have forgotten why they started posting on this thread to begin with. It has turned into an endless loop of arguing about BS that isn't even relevant to your situation. Best of luck to you. I'm gonna go puke now.



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10 Feb 2013, 12:13 am

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ZombieBrideXD wrote:

well, with one exception, i also want to help people, people like me. Being around other aspies, i feel no anxiety or even anything, i would love to live in a world with only aspies and auties

Do yourself a favor ZombieBride, go talk to your doctor or counselor about it. As for this thread... I hate to say it but, people have forgotten why they started posting on this thread to begin with. It has turned into an endless loop of arguing about BS that isn't even relevant to your situation. Best of luck to you. I'm gonna go puke now.


excellent suggestion i was getting tired of having to check on this thread, and thank you for the advice, i will talk to my therapist :)