In what way do you feel this planet is the wrong planet?

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15 Feb 2013, 11:16 am

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The purpose of the animate beings is survival/existence therefore the successful individual beings of the species have to be selected.
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HAPPINESS AND DEPRESSION
The collective operating minds of the individuals give energy (happiness) to the individuals with high self-evaluation and take away energy (sadness/depression) from the individuals with low self-evaluation. In the case of extreme unsuccessfulness, the collective operating mind of the individual can cause illnesses [1,4] or can terminate directly the existence of the individual being (suicide).



I wonder how you feel about simply being a part of this brutal selection process?

I know you might tell me your life is much more than a selection process, but I claim that the only reason why you may feel that way is because you are using a survival tactic that disguises the truth - probably because it is too much to deal with the naked fact of the matter.

So one should forget about the actual purpose of one's life? Playing the game of selection, but forget that that is what one is doing...



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16 Feb 2013, 6:24 pm

qawer wrote:
So one should forget about the actual purpose of one's life? Playing the game of selection, but forget that that is what one is doing...


That's your choice and your choice alone. No can decide how you are going to think and what you are going to believe for you.



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16 Feb 2013, 7:31 pm

Dragoness wrote:
qawer wrote:
So one should forget about the actual purpose of one's life? Playing the game of selection, but forget that that is what one is doing...


That's your choice and your choice alone. No can decide how you are going to think and what you are going to believe for you.


I agree, and if I can expand upon that;

What's to say what the actual purpose of one's life is? The best we can do is offer hypothesis, ideas, and conjectures. We don't know for certain.

Going back to the origin of this thread, I feel like this is the wrong planet because we haven't made it the right one yet. I don't mean that we have to change the world to suite ourselves or change ourselves to suite the world. I think there's something in between. And frankly, the idea of this being the wrong world could apply to NTs as well.



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16 Feb 2013, 8:06 pm

Browncoat wrote:
Dragoness wrote:
qawer wrote:
So one should forget about the actual purpose of one's life? Playing the game of selection, but forget that that is what one is doing...


That's your choice and your choice alone. No can decide how you are going to think and what you are going to believe for you.


I agree, and if I can expand upon that;

What's to say what the actual purpose of one's life is? The best we can do is offer hypothesis, ideas, and conjectures. We don't know for certain.

Going back to the origin of this thread, I feel like this is the wrong planet because we haven't made it the right one yet. I don't mean that we have to change the world to suite ourselves or change ourselves to suite the world. I think there's something in between. And frankly, the idea of this being the wrong world could apply to NTs as well.


I completely agree with you.



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16 Feb 2013, 8:19 pm

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While I'm not entirely sure about forcing everyone into it as opposed to choice (You were somewhat vague on that subject) it would certainly solve the population crisis a great deal ;P

It wouldn't be forcing them, lol. It's just how I wish humans were. I think it's pointless to set arbitrary limits for yourself based on gender, at least when it comes to love.

Of course, I only feel this way because I am this way (barring my unfortunate social prejudices), so that's a factor.


Lol, you have good intentions but there are psychological studies on socially acceptable bisexuality; a series of graphic images were shown to a group of participants; arousal was then measured in male and female participants. All participants were Heterosexual. In Male participants, arousal occurred whenever they were shown images where a man and women were engaged in sexual activity, or a woman and woman; when men on men images were shown, arousal was not detected. When the test was conducted in women, man on woman, woman on woman, but not man on man generated results of arousal. The study showed that in both heterosexual men and women, the concept of man on man action was not appealing; for this reason the concept of bisexual relationships would be difficult for many heterosexual guys.

EDIT: Still a funny concept though.



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17 Feb 2013, 12:58 am

Yuugiri wrote:
Zodai wrote:
While I'm not entirely sure about forcing everyone into it as opposed to choice (You were somewhat vague on that subject) it would certainly solve the population crisis a great deal ;P

It wouldn't be forcing them, lol. It's just how I wish humans were. I think it's pointless to set arbitrary limits for yourself based on gender, at least when it comes to love.

Of course, I only feel this way because I am this way (barring my unfortunate social prejudices), so that's a factor.


That is the only factor.
I hate it when people act like everyone has a choice! I'm straight myself but I don't think anyone would choose to grow up in a gay/bi hating house hold, or go to a school where they get bullied and beaten up all the time, just for being gay or bi.
No one sets arbitrary limits for themselves, because the gender we are attracted to is not a choice, just as it isn't a choice to have Asperger's. It's a part of who we are.
Saying what you have just makes it harder for the other gay and bisexual people, because some straight people already think it is a choice and you're just backing up their incorrect theory.
My sister is a lesbian. She didn't choose to be, she just is. She did have boyfriends growing up but clearly realized that males don't interest her in the same way that females do. She didn't think to herself "I'm sick of men, I'm going to get myself a girlfriend"



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17 Feb 2013, 4:40 pm

Redstar2613 wrote:
No one sets arbitrary limits for themselves, because the gender we are attracted to is not a choice, just as it isn't a choice to have Asperger's. It's a part of who we are.
Saying what you have just makes it harder for the other gay and bisexual people, because some straight people already think it is a choice and you're just backing up their incorrect theory.


Not all of the people you are defending agree with you.

http://www.queerbychoice.com/



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17 Feb 2013, 10:37 pm

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No one sets arbitrary limits for themselves, because the gender we are attracted to is not a choice, just as it isn't a choice to have Asperger's. It's a part of who we are.
Saying what you have just makes it harder for the other gay and bisexual people, because some straight people already think it is a choice and you're just backing up their incorrect theory.


Not all of the people you are defending agree with you.

http://www.queerbychoice.com/


Alright, that's fine. In what way do you, or a person you may be talking about, disagree?



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19 Feb 2013, 2:33 pm

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Alright, that's fine. In what way do you, or a person you may be talking about, disagree?


I didn't post that because I disagree. The person or people who created the website clearly think it can be a choice. I assume you can find more details on the website.



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19 Feb 2013, 3:11 pm

qawer wrote:
I am curious as to why you guys feel this planet is the wrong planet?

(1) Do you think you landed on the wrong planet/world?


No, I was simply born into a society which isn't built for my kind. :)

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(2) In what way is this the wrong planet/world?


Neurotypical society as a whole bases far too much of a person's value on the extent to which they conform to illogical, and sometimes vulgar social expectations.

Many Neurotypicals view their neurotype as superior, rather than equal to ours, and don't even think to include us in decisions which are important and relevant to our lives.

Society fails to make even the most basic, simple adaptions to accommodate our needs, which, aren't all that difficult to meet.

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(3) How should the planet/world be if it was to be "right"?


* Better attempts to understand and accommodate us

* Advocacy organisations run by and for Autistics (no ignorant, repressive ones such as Autism Speaks)

* Official minority group status for Autistics

* Autistics regarded as equals, rather than defective or inferior

* Much, much tougher punishment for discrimination against us, particularly when it comes to the media

* Total lack of unnecessary, damaging conformity



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19 Feb 2013, 4:03 pm

Because its like an alien world out there in the social domain.

Many people I encounter, to me, seem to live in some kind of twilight zone dimension especially in terms of how they think and their mass of pointless, strange and often bizarre social conventions.

Case in point: On some forums its considered rude to be verbose.

Personally if I see a verbose post I either read it, or scroll past. It makes no difference to me if I have to scroll past one or two very long posts or page after page of inane social chitty in text speak and one sentence replies. I still have to scroll down to get to the bottom of the page anyway...and most pages have a defined length to them. So what does it matter what that page is filled with.

If I want to read the content on the way I will, if I don't I wont.

Plus it's an open forum board...people can post at the same time. It is not like a conversation where you have to wait for the other person to finished speaking first.

Yeah I know other posts can sometimes be hard to spot amid a wall of long verbose ones but that is why avatars are useful. I don't always look at the text if I am looking for a post by someone specific or by passing someone I don't want to read...I look at their avatar! This tells me when someone different has posted.

I accept some may find it irritating, but really there are worse crimes in the world...so why make so much fuss over something so small and have huge argument over it? Its just silly.

See....the social world is like some strange alien culture.



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20 Feb 2013, 11:11 am

starkid wrote:
Redstar2613 wrote:
Alright, that's fine. In what way do you, or a person you may be talking about, disagree?


I didn't post that because I disagree. The person or people who created the website clearly think it can be a choice. I assume you can find more details on the website.


How is it clear that they think it can be a choice?



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20 Feb 2013, 3:14 pm

Redstar2613 wrote:

How is it clear that they think it can be a choice?


The name of their website and the first paragraph on the first page!



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20 Feb 2013, 10:23 pm

I think we're talking about different websites.



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21 Feb 2013, 1:38 am

qawer wrote:
In the neurotypical world life is in the end all about survival and competition. Acting truly un-selfish is a sign of mental illness. Not caring about other people for their own sake, but only caring about yourself, is a sign of mental health. It is good to care about others, but only if it is to your own benefit. True altruism is punished.

Kindness will be punished in the neurotypical world. You should think of yourself and act as if you were the most important creature that ever existed. The more stone-cold of a heart, the more rewarding the neurotypical world is.


No, I cannot agree, this is a gross oversimplification. Heroic and selfless deeds are admired and rewarded. Think of the examples of the firefighters who lose their lives in service to the communities they are a part of, or the soldiers who put their lives on the line in order to help their fellow-soldiers.
Then there are the volunteers, like those in the Salvation Army, who volunteer to give much of their time to serve others who are destitute, and for which the only reward is the difference they make to someone's life. What about those who willingly donate one of their kidneys to someone they care about?



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Lintar wrote:
qawer wrote:
In the neurotypical world life is in the end all about survival and competition. Acting truly un-selfish is a sign of mental illness. Not caring about other people for their own sake, but only caring about yourself, is a sign of mental health. It is good to care about others, but only if it is to your own benefit. True altruism is punished.

Kindness will be punished in the neurotypical world. You should think of yourself and act as if you were the most important creature that ever existed. The more stone-cold of a heart, the more rewarding the neurotypical world is.


No, I cannot agree, this is a gross oversimplification. Heroic and selfless deeds are admired and rewarded. Think of the examples of the firefighters who lose their lives in service to the communities they are a part of, or the soldiers who put their lives on the line in order to help their fellow-soldiers.
Then there are the volunteers, like those in the Salvation Army, who volunteer to give much of their time to serve others who are destitute, and for which the only reward is the difference they make to someone's life. What about those who willingly donate one of their kidneys to someone they care about?


I agree.