So much anger!

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What you do not seem to get is that I never said that they were nt's or not. I never said Aspies were nicer people than NTs. I actually said these people target anyone different - that would include other NTs. I was responding to the OP who said there was a lot of anger here, and I was giving them a reason.You need to read better.

You lost me here.
Can you be more concrete as to what you mean?

What you seem to be saying is equivalent of a white southern sheriff telling martin luther king jr. to "not make this dichotomoy between black and white races"- when obviously it was the whites who made the racial 'dichotomy' (and made blacks suffer from it) in the first place.

It was neurotypicals who bashed aspies and auties in the outside world. Bashed them for being 'aspies' today- and bushed them for being "wierdo, ret*d,neurotic, oddballs", for the centuries before "aspergers" existed as a term.

So youve got things a little backward if you're blaming aspies and auties for using a 'dichotomy'- and using 'labels'- arent you?

There is a problem of determining who "them" is:

http://katiemiaaghogday.blogspot.com/20 ... ho-is.html

And then there is the issue, at least per PDD NOS and Asperger's syndrome that personality disorders are commonly associated, whether they are diagnosed in real life or not:

http://katiemiaaghogday.blogspot.com/20 ... rs-co.html

And then there are other factors like Androgyny that provide a source of difference that others notice that cannot easily be hidden, recently associated with Asperger's in research:

http://katiemiaaghogday.blogspot.com/20 ... ender.html

And then there is the issue of accepting oneself in a world that is not fair:

http://katiemiaaghogday.blogspot.com/20 ... tance.html

There is substantial reason to vent and there is also substantial reason to accept.

There is no way in hell that I will EVER 'kow-tow' to the NT tyranny. Yes, I am angry, and I will NOT apologise for that, because I have every right to be after all the crap that I have had to put up with over the years from people too stupid to understand that we can't all be like the 98, or whatever percent it is, who make the idiotic, pointless and illogical social rules that everyone is expected to follow.
Being 'different' has cost me more than I can calculate. I don't have a career, friends, social life, purpose in life, or direction, and it is ALL because of this useless condition that I can't get rid of, and never wanted in the first place.
'Naturalplastic', I really do not like this attitude of 'it isn't fair, but we must accept it'. Why should we accept being treated like dirt, why should anyone accept injustice?

Yes, exactly. Why should we care if their precious feelings are hurt? Every schoolyard and workplace bully who has ever existed was, without exception, an NT. They can all die and go to hell as far as I'm concerned, I couldn't care less about those useless idiots.

I shouldnt have said "kow tow".

I should have said 'adapt'.

Wouldnt shouldnt accept them abusing us.
But we do have to adapt to their way of thinking to survive in the world. The opposite is not the case.

hi.i just now noticed there were some more responses to my posts....sorry I missed them and am too tired to write right much now...to the person who compared my saying the aspie===nt dichotomy is counterproductive and compared it to someone saying that when the blacks were being persecuted the black-white dichotomy was counter productive for black people....you did not understand what I was saying...those blacks had white freedom riders in the south with them, some of whom were killed and many out and out risked their lives, and i seriously doubt those freedom riders were thought of like that....too tired to write more....it is saddening to me to see someone narrowing the perspective like this,,,,

i am not discounting human cruelty and bullying of people who are different by saying it is not real, but the over-simplification some make will do themselves and others a disservice.....i will be back when i am not so tried and have some time and will try to better explain my position,,,,to the person who said i read wrong, i am too tired to figure it out now, but sometimes i do read wrong......littlebee

I really should refrain from leaving messages here when I am in a really bad mood, and nothing gets me in a fouler mood than when I recall some of the nastier things that have happened to me in the past.
'NT's' are not all the same, just as the members of any other 'group' within society are not all alike, and if this comment is a bit too harsh for this forum then I will (if I can) delete it if anyone here wants me to.

I agree totally with your sentiment but these days on WP it's not PC to criticise NTs so you need to be very wary about doing it

I'd appreciate a list of topics we can safely discuss actually

I don't think you have said anything that's too harsh.

If all the people who have been bullys toward you have been NT then this is the truth, nothing more, nothing less.

Better to get your frustration out than letting it fester.

I've not read anywhere on WP that it's not PC. Of course individual members will have their own opinions on it.

If I (or we) can't express myself/ourselves here then where can I/we?

I do agree that not every single NT is bad or due criticism, of course that's true. However, the large majority of NTs, whether it be by deliberate spite, by following the pack, by protecting themselves at all cost, ignorance or by being scared to speak out, one way or another either cause or allow a lot of mistreatment, prejudice and sidelining of Aspies (and I'm sure other groups).

A case in point, is that I am always so grateful and surprised when I do come across decent and nice NTs because it's so very rare. Lately, even the ones I thought were nice initially have let me down. This is not unusual either.

So ultimately, although I normally don't agree with sweeping statements, the problem is so pervasive and ominpotent in society (which is run by NTs too) that I don't believe it's unfair or un-PC to criticise NTs as a group in a place that is our space.

And after all, it's not as if NTs don't make sweeping generalisations about Aspies and auties constantly. Like I said before, it would do them good to read the effect they have on us.

Let me make sure I am hearing this right. You do not feel safe because of what has been written on this thread, and you want someone to provide a list of topics that will make you feel safe??? Is this the same Nessa I admire so much who does not like diagnostic labeling?

As far as it not being PC to criticize NT's, I have been here only a few weeks and it looks to me like it is very accepted behavior here, even the norm, a big part of the aspie culture lingo, and a few people are questioning it, inquiring into the thinking behind it. I would like to count myself as one of those people..

Personally I think you like this subject and want to keep it going which is why you wrote this as it is bound to fuel a response, but I do intuit that whatever tape you may be on at the moment, you do not want people to stop thinking entirely just because their thoughts are not in accord with your own.

To those who are bashing so called NT's (and I say so called because there is no way to tell what kind of a brain a socially adjusted person has as he will just seem to blend in under various circumstances....and there is no way to tell if he was socially adjusted as a child or became that way as he developed through great effort and struggle). When you read about someone risking his or her life to pull a stranger out of a burning car, that kind of thing I read about and cry, those people who do that are probably what those here would call NT's.. As I wrote in my previous message those freedom riders in the US who risked their lives (and it makes me cry when I see the videos) were probably all NT's---those hard core social democrats were probably not aspies, as you kind of have to bite the bullet to fit in there, so those who are writing here, get a grip..Plus all of the movements to combat bullying in schools are mainly NT driven...just watched a documentary last week on public television about it which showed three different schools and all those teacher and program administrators looked NT to me.

If you want to help aspies, if you want to help yourselves, if you want to help the world then it is necessary to look at the way ones own brain organizes material. I am looking at that in myself and in my life and sometimes it is not pleasant to do that, but everything cannot be handed to oneself on a silver platter.

And to the person, Lintar, who wrote all the stuff in this quote that Nessa responded to, deleting the words would not change your thinking, would it, so I do not see the point. Wouldn't that just be doing what you seem to accusing NT's of doing?--in this case a form of bullying of yourself. It all can get kind of confusing I realize, not just for you but for all of us. That is how thinking can work and generally does, but is there another way to think that sorts things out a little better?

I am glad you are trying to sort things out, but you seem to be saying that if it were an aspie society there would not be such bullying. I see no evidence of this at all.

Re making sweeping generalizations, come on:-) it is not about one group doing it so then it makes sense for another group to do it, too....to me this way of thinking is very limiting....and as far as feeling different from other people, I have felt myself to be very different...maybe people on this thread have not read it, but i wrote that before i found out i was an aspie I made a message on a phone system one dark night saying I was a freak of nature, but the moderator didn't post it. I always wondered why.

Anyway, if a person wants to be happy, I am not saying not to fight injustice, but I am saying to look for commonalities. Try to find points of interest and attention that connect the altruistic motivation in oneself to the altruistic motivation in others.

To those who have been bullied, do you really want to be like the bullies? Is that really the solution?

I enjoy making people back-peddle in what they say when they seem to be acting like they are giving some kind of Ten Commandments re how people with Aspergers should think about NTs

There's no 'should' about it - just varying opinion

There categorically should not be a party line on NTs and I have seen some people try to enforce one and I dislike it
intensely

Anger is an emotion that everyone experiences. It is how you express it and deal with it that really distinguishes you from other people. I think that is what the OP is getting at. It is fine to get angry and use that emotion to motivate you to change the things around you. However, it doesn't really make any sense to me to express your anger in a disrespectful way to people who are disrespecting you. That doesn't change anything, it only perpetuates a cycle...

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Think about it from our standpoint, if you will... I am Aspie, a successful film director, a writer and an internationally published photographer...

When I attended an Autism Awareness event in April... These are some of the things that were said to me.

You're just using Asperger's/autistism as an excuse to be rude.

I saw of The Big Bang Theory/Rain man/Sherlock/Bones/this episode of House/Adam/ Parenthood... So I know ALL about autism!

Wait, are you ACTUALLY Autistic, or do you just have Asperger's?

Is your parent/guardian/care taker here?

You seem so... Normal!

What do you mean you don't want a hug?

Quiet hands!

You're autistic? But I like you/there's nothing wrong with you/I never would have guessed/give me a hug. It's going to be okay/I'm so sorry/that is so sad.

You must be very high functioning.

So, what's it like being ret*d?

I like Autistic people almost as much as I like real people.

Just get over it.

These things are hurtful and disrespectful... And NTs say them without thinking all the time. When we have to face a Doctor, that doctor is NT and will LITERALLY tell us that we can't possible mean what we say, can't possibly feel how we feel, that we cannot perceive the world as we do...

There are many reasons, but most boil down to being disrespected and often reduced, socially, to little more than children.