21 Jan 2014, 9:00 pm
Waterfalls wrote:
wozeree wrote:
These kinds of threads genuinely confuse me.
First off, you are questioning somebody who claims to be diagnosed but who has not proven it to your satisfaction - this reminds me of the birthers. Shall we call them instead, the Diagnosers!
You need to see the paper!!
And then some of you get all snippity about those of us who are not diagnosed but are sure we have it. I feel a little like you think that by claiming I am Autistic, you feel like I am personally violating you, as though I was slapping your wife's butt (with intent!) when you aren't looking. or something equally egregious.
It's all a mystery to me why you care - and I don't believe the We are harming people who need accommodations thing. I mean people get upset when Adam (what's his name?) is associated with Autism because it makes everyone think badly of us, but then you get upset when somebody is working and supporting themselves with Autism because that somehow damages the group too.
I am really proud of myself that I get up and go to work and do the things I have to do, even when life seems like a crappy insurmountable mountain and when I am overwhelmed with the painful aspects of Autism. Looking around this forum, I see it in so many people, not just those of us who are working full time, but people who face so much overwhelming crap and keep rising to the surface like ....hmmm I'm losing my metaphor
- does really good cream work? Or maybe like someone who is in danger of drowning, but their head keeps popping back up.
Too me, that's what's important (although I am one of the one's who is not in the select club, so of course I would feel that way)!
But you baffle me people, ok! 
First off, you are questioning somebody who claims to be diagnosed but who has not proven it to your satisfaction - this reminds me of the birthers. Shall we call them instead, the Diagnosers!
You need to see the paper!!And then some of you get all snippity about those of us who are not diagnosed but are sure we have it. I feel a little like you think that by claiming I am Autistic, you feel like I am personally violating you, as though I was slapping your wife's butt (with intent!) when you aren't looking. or something equally egregious.
It's all a mystery to me why you care - and I don't believe the We are harming people who need accommodations thing. I mean people get upset when Adam (what's his name?) is associated with Autism because it makes everyone think badly of us, but then you get upset when somebody is working and supporting themselves with Autism because that somehow damages the group too.
I am really proud of myself that I get up and go to work and do the things I have to do, even when life seems like a crappy insurmountable mountain and when I am overwhelmed with the painful aspects of Autism. Looking around this forum, I see it in so many people, not just those of us who are working full time, but people who face so much overwhelming crap and keep rising to the surface like ....hmmm I'm losing my metaphor
- does really good cream work? Or maybe like someone who is in danger of drowning, but their head keeps popping back up.Too me, that's what's important (although I am one of the one's who is not in the select club, so of course I would feel that way)!
But you baffle me people, ok!
I am sorry this thread is hurtful and had thought about staying away because it seemed likely this topic could be controversial, someone could get hurt, and I don't want to be part of hurting anyone.
The idea that ASD is overdiagnosed seems to me to be what is concerning. It's quite ugly to decide people aren't entitled to be proud of pushing through despite difficulties and instead should be seeing themselves as weak. But that's part of the new definition of ASD: needs support. What that is doesn't seem to be defined yet. This isn't, at least I don't think, about Wrong Planet, I think it's about the experiment in redefining ASDs that is taking place from outside the ASD community. I've probably not expressed this well---maybe someone else can help say it more clearly?
Autism = Disabled
21 Jan 2014, 9:22 pm
wozeree wrote:
These kinds of threads genuinely confuse me.
First off, you are questioning somebody who claims to be diagnosed but who has not proven it to your satisfaction - this reminds me of the birthers. Shall we call them instead, the Diagnosers! You need to see the paper!!But you baffle me people, ok!
First off, you are questioning somebody who claims to be diagnosed but who has not proven it to your satisfaction - this reminds me of the birthers. Shall we call them instead, the Diagnosers!
You need to see the paper!!But you baffle me people, ok! Yes, you are confused.
The thread is about "wannabees".
The problem is that no one can define what it means to have AS. I showed that AS people can be extreme socializers by showing Mr. Aykroad.
Thus, no one can determine "wannabees".
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21 Jan 2014, 9:43 pm
LoveNotHate wrote:
wozeree wrote:
These kinds of threads genuinely confuse me.
First off, you are questioning somebody who claims to be diagnosed but who has not proven it to your satisfaction - this reminds me of the birthers. Shall we call them instead, the Diagnosers! You need to see the paper! !But you baffle me people, ok!
First off, you are questioning somebody who claims to be diagnosed but who has not proven it to your satisfaction - this reminds me of the birthers. Shall we call them instead, the Diagnosers!
You need to see the paper! !But you baffle me people, ok! Yes, you are confused.
The thread is about "wannabees".
The problem is that no one can define what it means to have AS. I showed that AS people can be extreme socializers by showing Mr. Aykroad.
Thus, no one can determine "wannabees".
The point made in other posts that some people have identified themselves as wannabes but otherwise, yeah, it doesn't seem all that clear cut to me.
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22 Jan 2014, 5:49 pm
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