Finally, an Anime that displays social anxiety/ASD perfectly

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22 Feb 2014, 4:35 am

Dillogic wrote:
Which is exactly what I said (with a few more added).

Notice no "social anxiety"?

Social anxiety is totally different; it's the feeling that you're being judged or evaluated negatively by others in a social situation.

For example,

AS: person says a socially inappropriate thing but doesn't know it's socially inappropriate and doesn't think a thing of it
SAD: person says a socially appropriate thing but worries if they said the wrong thing


OK, thanks for the explanation.



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22 Feb 2014, 5:48 am

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The symptoms of Asperger's syndrome vary and can range from mild to severe. Common symptoms include:

#1 :arrow: Problems with social skills: Children with Asperger's syndrome generally have difficulty interacting with others and often are awkward in social situations. They generally do not make friends easily. They have difficulty initiating and maintaining conversation.

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Communication difficulties: People with Asperger's syndrome may not make eye contact when speaking with someone. They may have trouble using facial expressions and gestures, and understanding body language. They also tend to have problems understanding language in context and are very literal in their use of language.

Limited range of interests: A child with Asperger's syndrome may develop an intense, almost obsessive, interest in a few areas, such as sports schedules, weather, or maps.

Coordination problems: The movements of children with Asperger's syndrome may seem clumsy or awkward.

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Those are things we know that she has from the series, she is incredibly awkward socially. Her interests have been on weapons, geek culture and she picks up interest supposedly connected to social things, in fact most of her games seem to have a social element (or "popular) despite her playing by herself. she is quite clumsy, the ED shows itself her breaking a phone and she cuts herself while using a knife.

The only things we can't pick up is whether repetitive behaviour or rituals. Although we do see that she usually does the same thing in that going to a fast food restaurant or going to a bookstore are apparently shaking up her usual habits.
And maybe exceptional talent, although we do see that despite her clumsiness she is rather talented at an arcade game, but we don't see enough about her skills other than having pretty easy times with video games.

And I say again that my traits are rather similar and I am diagnosed, one thing not listed may be that is part of my diagnoses is social anxiety, one example being that when people would say goodbye to me I could only mumble, and various other cases just like Tomoko. And calling her a psychopath, that is really not cool, she is not totally disconnected from people, she enjoyed being with her best friend, and talking to another near the end. What may be altering perception is that Japan's culture can be a little more conformist than you might think, in that there is a heavier amount of importance put onto being a part of a group. And Tomoko's inability to conform to groups actually warps her a bit, probably only match traits the only people she can interact with, people on the internet.


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22 Feb 2014, 6:51 am

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I'd say the character is more likely to have Antisocial Personality Disorder, rather then ASD. She is a psychopath.

Why a psychopath? She has dark and evil thoughts but she doesn't act on them. She is neither impulsive because she makes a lot of plans (that maybe don't succeed, but still).
It's true that she lies but she doesn't do that in order to manipulate people but just to look "cooler".
She sure is a pervert (I guess that's normal for some people when they are 15) but not really a psychopath.

And it's weird she has AS since she can lie well and anyway she realizes what is offensive to people or not. You see, she doesn't tell openly to her friend what she thinks about her but sha calls her w**re when her friend is not there and can't listen to what she is saying. She generally seems to know what is offensive towards people and only thinks insults but knows she shouldn't blurt them out.



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22 Feb 2014, 8:40 am

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And it's weird she has AS since she can lie well and anyway she realizes what is offensive to people or not. You see, she doesn't tell openly to her friend what she thinks about her but sha calls her w**re when her friend is not there and can't listen to what she is saying. She generally seems to know what is offensive towards people and only thinks insults but knows she shouldn't blurt them out.

I think she actually called her a b!@#, but it is a borrowed word that I am not sure how it is used in Japanese, but she seems to use it for various girl popular with guys, possibly using it only in her mind because she can't openly call them it. It is not like all us with AS don't know what are bad words, I watch a lot of what reactions people see as socially acceptable and remove it from my verbal vocabulary, probably more than NTs do. In fact I once removed "damn" from my vocabulary because I had a teacher tell me it was not a word I should use, mad me act as anxious as some times you see Tomoko confronted. People watching is one way to learn the acceptable words, something Tomoko seems to do.

Besides, just look at the scene where she is stuck in the rain and said something totally wrong for the situation. Or when she got angry at her mother and said something she should not have, actually that entire scene where she did not seem to realize the black holes over her body were unacceptable. And I would totally see that for her b!@# is just a buzzword for her that she might slightly mislabel.


Some more interesting facts of strange similarities, I play the exact same card game she plays, I would say my ego can be similarly affected to it as her, and I bought Animal Crossing mere days before the episode where she plays it. Actually, I think the scene where she expects her cousin to be impressed that she can beat children at a card game to be proof that she has trouble gaging what someone's reactions would be.


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22 Feb 2014, 10:36 am

Shes autistic case closed also I hope they make a season 2 of this show, the popular girl seems to like her! I thought it was adorable when she got into that dog suit and handed her a bloon and gave her a hug. Ive been lonely like her when i used to be in Jr High.


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22 Feb 2014, 2:24 pm

droppy wrote:
Max000 wrote:
I'd say the character is more likely to have Antisocial Personality Disorder, rather then ASD. She is a psychopath.

Why a psychopath?


First I have only watched the first five episodes, and these are symptoms I see so far.

The twenty traits assessed by the PCL-R score are:

:arrow: glib and superficial charm
:arrow: grandiose (exaggeratedly high) estimation of self
:arrow: need for stimulation
:arrow: pathological lying
:arrow: cunning and manipulativeness
:arrow: lack of remorse or guilt
:arrow: shallow affect (superficial emotional responsiveness)
:arrow: callousness and lack of empathy
:arrow: parasitic lifestyle
:arrow: poor behavioral controls
:arrow: sexual promiscuity
:arrow: early behavior problems
:arrow: lack of realistic long-term goals
:arrow: impulsivity
:arrow: irresponsibility
:arrow: failure to accept responsibility for own actions
many short-term marital relationships
juvenile delinquency
revocation of conditional release
criminal versatility



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22 Feb 2014, 9:26 pm

^
She actually does care about her friend and brother.
She is dresses as un-promiscuity in her whole school, and otherwise a sexually curious teenager.
She is not a parasite as much as not very self sufficient.
She has shown a disproportional amount of guilt when she thought she bothered a boy and bowed on the floor.
She does not even care enough about her own appearance to be very shallow.
Her manipulative ability are purely her own delusions.
And although she starts a plan because she thinks she can change things, she usually stops short because she is not impulsive; to her being impulsive was going to a bookstore, fast-food restaurant, or getting underwear that most girls her age wear.

She is also incredibly shy.


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23 Feb 2014, 12:35 pm

Not to sure how you can be interested in anime if you have Autism.

I know from my experience I cant relate to any of the situations these characters get into with each other. I never can connect with shows that deal with interpersonal issues. I never have an interest in characters the same way I don't have much interest in people.

It all stems from not being able to relate and indifference. I like machines and factual stuff.

Could it possibly be that some people on here who like anime have a hard time making friends so they mis-diagnosed themselves with Autism?

Hey, I just tell you what I'm thinking. Sorry for thinking this.


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23 Feb 2014, 1:13 pm

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Could it possibly be that some people on here who like anime have a hard time making friends so they mis-diagnosed themselves with Autism?

Hey, I just tell you what I'm thinking. Sorry for thinking this.

I was diagnosed from when I was a child, had the problems up, and only started to get strongly interested in anime when I was like17 or 18.

Yes I suck at socialising with people and connecting with them, but I actually built up a strong interest in trying to understand people in anime, and psychological drama became one of my favourite genre.

There is this another anime I want to mention called Sakurasou no Pet no Kanojo, where the heroine, Shiina Mashiro, who seems to have many of the signs of autism. From problems with facial expressions, unable to empathise with people, trouble looking after herself / doing everyday activities (feeding herself and choosing clothes), special interests etc. Despite her disability she uses her artistic traits is in a way that has heavy reliance on trying to understand emotions.

Yes I well and truly have AS, and I have the curious trait similar to above where I have been writing fiction stories for a while now which I base off learning about people. Some of us do have an interest in understanding interacting with people despite our difficulty.


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24 Feb 2014, 2:36 am

Dreycrux wrote:
Not to sure how you can be interested in anime if you have Autism.

I know from my experience I cant relate to any of the situations these characters get into with each other. I never can connect with shows that deal with interpersonal issues. I never have an interest in characters the same way I don't have much interest in people.

It all stems from not being able to relate and indifference. I like machines and factual stuff.

Could it possibly be that some people on here who like anime have a hard time making friends so they mis-diagnosed themselves with Autism?

Hey, I just tell you what I'm thinking. Sorry for thinking this.


You would be surprised. Despite being officially diagnosed with Aspergers Syndrome, and having trouble relating to other people, I actually find human behavior to be rather fascinating. I think the reason why it fascinates me so much is because it is so complex and alien in some ways, yet at the same time so much of it is relevant to day-to-day life. While most NTs learn what they need to know about other people just from being around one another, I instead turn to reading long articles on psychology, over-analyzing characters in fictional works, and doing other things like that, as those activities are much easier than trying to convince someone to allow me to study them.

In a way, I sort of see myself as being a separate species from humankind; one that is superior in some ways, but inferior in others, Since I have to deal with human beings on a daily basis, I find that I can understand and work with them better if I study them in much the same way human beings study other animals.



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24 Feb 2014, 3:17 am

Couldn't you have found a link that wont possibly infect our computers? There are tons of streaming and download websites. Or at least warn us BEFORE giving the link. I'm just glad I didnt click on it straight away like I was tempted to....



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Couldn't you have found a link that wont possibly infect our computers? There are tons of streaming and download websites. Or at least warn us BEFORE giving the link. I'm just glad I didnt click on it straight away like I was tempted to....


I agree, can a mod please remove the infected link and replace it with one for the Crunchyroll page? The Crunchyroll one works perfectly fine, and it's completely legit and safe so I see no reason not to use it.



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24 Feb 2014, 8:01 am

thank you, i'll definitly watch this



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24 Feb 2014, 1:00 pm

Bradleigh wrote:
droppy wrote:
And it's weird she has AS since she can lie well and anyway she realizes what is offensive to people or not. You see, she doesn't tell openly to her friend what she thinks about her but sha calls her w**re when her friend is not there and can't listen to what she is saying. She generally seems to know what is offensive towards people and only thinks insults but knows she shouldn't blurt them out.

I think she actually called her a b!@#, but it is a borrowed word that I am not sure how it is used in Japanese, but she seems to use it for various girl popular with guys, possibly using it only in her mind because she can't openly call them it.


She uses the word "b***h", same as the English word "b***h", as a put down to other females. She doesn't say it openly, because no normal Japanese girl would say something like that. The word may or may not even be in the vocabulary of most Japanese girls. Depending on their proficiency in English language profanity.



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25 Feb 2014, 6:49 am

On the subject of anime: she's diagnosable with many, many things, but I swear that the first Lain we meet is aspie.


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06 Jul 2016, 6:52 am

Dillogic wrote:
Which is exactly what I said (with a few more added).

Notice no "social anxiety"?

Social anxiety is totally different; it's the feeling that you're being judged or evaluated negatively by others in a social situation.

For example,

AS: person says a socially inappropriate thing but doesn't know it's socially inappropriate and doesn't think a thing of it
SAD: person says a socially appropriate thing but worries if they said the wrong thing


AS is not being able to tell the difference between a socially appropriate and inappropriate thing, so it can easily lead to the SAD example here. AS VERY FREQUENTLY causes SA. I think the idea AS leads to less social desire is a complete myth based on observations of autistic people using interpretations of NT behavior rather than trying to figure out what autistic people are actually thinking. Not thinking a thing of it is probably more a male thing than an autistic thing, once autistic people are aware they did a thing they tend to overthink it.


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