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"My best guess is genetic predisposition + intestinal dysbiosis = ASD symptoms. " I think this may be the case in some circumstances, but definitely not all, as not every autistic person has gut problems of any sort. Generally, I think someone is generally autistic, but some other factor, like intestinal dybiosis and most likely a combination of factors, drives their symptoms to become severe enough to result in diagnosis. Anyway, I'm strongly against forcing enemas on anyone, which is probably one of the largest problems this line of thought has is parents may jump to conclusions from it and force unethical treatments.

If that were true that there's zero residual anything left in the colon, then the fluid that comes out of me would be just as clear and clean as the fluid that goes in.. and it's not even close. Plus the non-fecal matter that comes out with it, which according to google image search pics appears to be some strain of candida.

Time and time again the stat has been reported in many articles that 90% of autistics complain of tummy/GI problems - that's a lot.. hence the reason autism research is looking at the intestines as a cause.

I wouldn't support forcing enemas on anyone, either. Who would? Obviously it should be voluntary & done w/ gravity vs. added force which could be hazardous. There's nothing unethical about this treatment protocol. Again, see sig.

Have you considered the possibility that what you're seeing is actually mucous, as opposed to some strain of candida? If it's candida and there's enough of it to actually be visible to the naked eye, it sounds like a serious issue you have. Would it even be possible to grow back that fast to see it after multiple flushes? Or did you examine it with a microscope?

That's exactly what happens after you've done the full prep for the colonoscopy. I've had 5 colonoscopies so I know what I'm talking about here, m8. Two days before the procedure, you embark on a low-residue diet (little to no fibre, etc.), then the day before the procedure you stop eating entirely and drink the revolting bowel prep the hospital gives you - usually two litres of prep, split into two 1 litre doses at different times.

By the time you are done with all that, yes, you will be sh*****g clear fluids. And yes your colon will be as squeaky clean as a whistle.

It isn't a strain of Candida. You are being misled by people who post images of mucus and think they are Candida colonies. I looked at what comes up in google images when using "intestinal candidiasis" as a search term and most of it is pictures of mucous. Candida can form plaques (some of the legit images show thrush) but these plaques don't just wash away with a colonic.

It's not mucous. I've seen mucous. It looks very different.

It hasn't been anywhere near as bad as it was, but if I eat certain things that fuel it it is back to some degree. Even though I've drank a couple Kg of powdered clay in shakes over a year or so I believe I haven't killed off and pushed everything through my small intestine yet. I believe there's at least one residual mass still deep in the intestinal tract. I'm considering requesting some strong prescription antifungals to see if they can finish the job, and/or taking the one veterinary medicine that does the same.

Again, it's not mucous. I've seen mucous. It looks different. And it didn't just wash away with ease. It required more than a dozen high volume antifunfal herbal enemas before the masses let go and passed. There were around 15-20 of them. I believe these mostly came from my large intestine where I could get the fluid to go. I believe there may still be at least one or more in the small intestine. Time will tell if I'm able to kill/dislodge anything more via antifungals etc.

*facepalms*

If you really believe you have "plaques" inside you, go to a GI doctor and ask for suitable tests, e.g. colonoscopy, capsule endoscopy, before you end up completely f***ing up your intestines.

90% < 100%. It's also possible tummy problems could be psychological rather gastronomical in nature, or psychosomatic and relating to the immune system.

Considering I've heard some parents forcing BLEACH enemas on their autistic children, there are definitely such people. Also, I'd rather have more severe autistic symptoms than undergo an enema myself.

I strongly support this course of action. Talk a doctor through the whole thing and ask which antifungal they would recommend. It is more likely to be effective than your enemas and it would also help you get to the root of your problems.

What Janissy and I have been driving at is that if you do have a serious gastrointestinal problem, which from your descriptions it seems you might do, it's better if you are going at it with help and can find out what is actually wrong.

Bowels are really weird and you don't want to disturb anything.

I would like to add this: For safety's sake, please don't take a veterinary medicine, see a doctor and she/he will give you a prescription if you actually need one.

Also Goldfish, eventho I generally don't have a problem with self-diagnosis (for Aspergers/autism), I really think you should get diagnosed by a professional (for both autism, and bacteria/infection), because your cure/diet involves some pretty drastic, and borderline dangerous (as Walrus mentioned), measures/changes. Also, if I remember correctly you mentioned you wanted to write a book on the subject (your cure/diet), and I assure you that it would be much more convincing if you were actually diagnosed with the conditions (autism, bacteria) you claim to have and/or have cured.

Thanks for your concern?? But.. I'm not going to "completely f*** up my intestines."

I'm much healthier for having done this - which isn't anything that many others before me haven't done, including some who have done it much more frequently than I do.

I suppose it's possible, but IMO not very probable, especially given how many on the spectrum complain of IBS symptoms - which this causes.

I wouldn't use bleach.. I mean, I'm sure it kills stuff.. but probably also kills good bacteria, and potentially damages human cells, too - i.e. the intestinal lining. I avoid drinking chlorinated tap water as much as possible, too. Much rather stick to natural antifungals that kill the bad stuff and leave the rest intact.

lol I hear ya.. it's not exactly an appealing procedure, especially since it's pretty gross science. I get that. A handful of years ago I'd have laughed and said no Fing way! But, since learning what I have & keeping an open mind combined with the fact that some of my symptoms were so bad that I would have done A N Y T H I N G to alleviate them.. well, I don't mind having to do this one bit. Benefits > costs.

I spoke to my GP about the diet protocol briefly last year. He seemed busy and not all that interested. I don't recall telling him of this part of it - didn't get to that as the conversation didn't last long. Basically, he was like "well, looks like you're way healthier. Glad to see it. Busy, gotta go." He is a good GP, though. Used to be an Orthopaedic Surgeon in Poland before immigrating to Canada and redoing his medical education in order to practice here. He's also very open to natural/herbal remedies - a bit old school European that way.

I haven't really gone in depth about all of this with any MD, in part because it was Western Medicine that got me into the rough shape I was in to begin with via round after round of Antibiotics throughout my life, combined with stimulant pharmaceuticals prescribed for ADHD that all helped contribute to the intestinal dysbiosis. So, Western Medicine hasn't been my "go to," to solve the problems it created in the first place. All that combined with the fact that I only go see a doctor when I Need to, and I've been healthier and healthier over the last year and a half or so and haven't Needed to go see one very often at all for anything.

Strong antifungals may be more effective than the natural ones I've been consuming in order to kill off anything remaining in the small intestine which is far deeper in the digestive tract than any enema can get to - but that doesn't change the fact that they've been amazing at clearing out my large intestine.

I have had help in the form of information/research etc, but I haven't needed the approval of anyone else to go ahead and treat myself in the best ways I believe possible. MD's are educated people, but they're not infallible gods & don't know everything. They're not to be placed upon some pedestal and listened to as if they speak the only truth or knowledge available. Sometimes they're ignorant, others they're flat out wrong or make mistakes. I'll still accept their input, but I don't consider them to be some sort of super human authority on what's best for me.

Further, I know what's "wrong." I've described it in great depth for the last ~year. Antibiotic & diet induced intestinal dysbiosis exacerbated ASD & comborbid symptoms to the nth degree. I figured it out & how to effectively treat it and am living a second life for it.

MD's can't prescribe this particular veterinary medication. They can prescribe a couple of antifungals, though. I'm going to research them all further & figure out which one is ideal to try first. As for the veterinary drug, it's not officially approved for human use.. but from everything I've read it's completely safe to use. It doesn't harm cats, dogs, or gorillas. It works by attacking and destroying a certain type of cell that mammals don't have. Basically, it can only destroy parasites who's cellular walls contain Chitin (chi·tin
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nounBIOCHEMISTRY
a fibrous substance consisting of polysaccharides and forming the major constituent in the exoskeleton of arthropods and the cell walls of fungi.) by rupturing them. Otherwise the medication just passes straight through our bodies and doesn't do anything else. The only potential pitfall is taking too much of it too early, which could make someone sick due to all the toxins & heavy metals being released by the exploded parasites. Other than that, I've read that you basically get two shots at using it in strong doses, after that the parasites may develop a resistance to it so it's no longer effective. That's one major reason I have yet to try it because I didn't want to take it early on and have it not kill off everything & then be rendered ineffective. Now that there can't be much left, just deep within the intestinal tract, it may be ok to give it a shot - unless, of course, my research dictates that one of the couple of antifungals prescribed by Western Medicine ought to be the next course of action. I'll figure it out - so far I've been doing pretty good at this game.

I've also been over this many times on this forum. I've been transparent about the books I've read & symptoms I've had and the reason(s) I haven't sought an official diagnosis. I don't want the stigma of it nor it's potential effect on my future. You can have yourself an official diagnosis all you want - I don't want nor require one. All that combined with the fact that my symptoms are minimal compared to what they once were as they're no longer significantly impacting my ability to function in life means that I'd feel a bit guilty about wasting public medical resources seeking a diagnosis for something that has no official treatment protocol in the first place, and is no longer ruining my life. The only reason I can see to get an official diagnosis would be to satisfy people like yourselves who don't believe me. I don't believe that's a proper use of medical resources, nor do I really care whether or not you believe me to be honest. Like my signature now says: Just because you don't believe me doesn't make me a liar.

I don't know, but somehow I doubt my GP would order stool sample tests for bacterial cultures since symptoms are no longer significant. He might. But again, I don't think it would be a very good use of resources. I think he'd be more likely to listen to me & prescribe an anti fungal that can otherwise do no harm and has no street value or addictive pain killing properties or anything as it would satisfy me and my needs. Doing lab tests like this would likely be an out of pocket expense for me, which I could afford if I wanted to, but I already believe myself and don't Need the results verified. It would be different if I were conducting an in depth medical study and documenting every bit of data I could observe at regular time intervals or something - but I'm not doing that & haven't been. Like I said before, I'm simply treating myself to get healthier asap vs. micro-documenting every bit of the process. This isn't a medical study. This is me practically & logically treating myself and getting healthier and healthier for it.

There's nothing dangerous about anything I've done over the last couple of years. Driving my car is plenty more dangerous. The kiteboarding I did for the latter half of the Summer is plenty more dangerous. Getting healthier via a diet of protein, veggies, herbs/spices/oils etc isn't dangerous. Nor are enemas - unless you're an absolute idiot and do something really stupid like use boiling water or far too high of a concentration of ACV or something of the sort.

I don't recall specifically saying I wanted to write a book about it. I did say that the post I had made was a first draft run-through and was posted asap vs. something I would publish. That was my explanation for why it was a bit imperfect in terms of structure & presentation. I had said I had been doing something that was working wonders and the response from the forums was to share what I had asap or I must not have anything to share of value at all, so, I shared it as it was after initially typing it up. The response was less than positive from many of you on these forums, so in the last ~year I haven't bothered to edit it into anything more presentable. People figure I was lying, or it was a hoax, or that I was trying to sell them something. None of the above are true. I haven't asked anyone for anything. I haven't offered anything for sale. I've said go support your local shops and buy foods/herbs etc. I just want to add to all of that nonsense a question for you: What possible motivation could I have for lying about any of this? Seriously. What exactly is it that those who don't believe me think I could possibly get out of making this stuff up? I've wondered that for the last ~year.

And to address your last sentence.. once again; Just because you don't believe me doesn't make me a liar.