31 Dec 2014, 12:41 am
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olympiadis wrote:
Since NTs operate in a social world of multi-layered deception and manipulation, and they insist on eye contact, then it means the opposite of your statement is also true. The main difference is that the NTs are just much better at faking it.
When autistics force themselves to do it, then they are also faking it.
None of this changes the reality of someone lying or not, only the perception that the majority will choose to take of it. This is one of the many tools that psychopaths use to their advantage.
If the aliens (or any foreign culture) invaded and then insisted that we all change our behaviors and mannerisms to suit their perceptions, then I would bet some of the attitudes about this issue would suddenly change due to the new perspective. Of course there would still be a few sympathizers who might say "the invaders are in charge now so we should cooperate".
Perspective works both ways.
The main difference here is that one perspective is about controlling other people, and the other perspective is about controlling oneself.
This situation seems to come up a lot.
When autistics force themselves to do it, then they are also faking it.
None of this changes the reality of someone lying or not, only the perception that the majority will choose to take of it. This is one of the many tools that psychopaths use to their advantage.
If the aliens (or any foreign culture) invaded and then insisted that we all change our behaviors and mannerisms to suit their perceptions, then I would bet some of the attitudes about this issue would suddenly change due to the new perspective. Of course there would still be a few sympathizers who might say "the invaders are in charge now so we should cooperate".
Perspective works both ways.
The main difference here is that one perspective is about controlling other people, and the other perspective is about controlling oneself.
This situation seems to come up a lot.
The quote below basically covers everything I'm saying.
iammaz wrote:
When i started reading this thread (i.e. the topic and first post) i was thinking, "thats a cool idea. i hope it works and helps some people who might find it useful". I wasn't expecting the whole first page of posts being something akin to "they're making people conform". When alex said "it allows people to connect", the response was that it didn't help them connect and to me that is discounting that it would help the majority of people we talk to connect to us.
I was especially amused by the "NT people should just stop expecting it" remarks when again, statistically, they'd be better off expecting it from everyone and we're outliers. If you want to walk around wearing a shirt that says "Aspie pride" or something, then sure it would be reasonable to hope that anyone seeing that wouldn't be expecting the same level of eye contact as with NT's.
Personally, I like the idea of using technology to help me change things I want to change. If you don't want to use it then don't get the app.
It would be great to have software doing face recognition, eye tracking, and prompting me with all the social crap that i can't be bothered to constantly keep in my mind. If other people don't want to participate in all of that then they wouldn't use it and everyone is happy.
Maz
I was especially amused by the "NT people should just stop expecting it" remarks when again, statistically, they'd be better off expecting it from everyone and we're outliers. If you want to walk around wearing a shirt that says "Aspie pride" or something, then sure it would be reasonable to hope that anyone seeing that wouldn't be expecting the same level of eye contact as with NT's.
Personally, I like the idea of using technology to help me change things I want to change. If you don't want to use it then don't get the app.
It would be great to have software doing face recognition, eye tracking, and prompting me with all the social crap that i can't be bothered to constantly keep in my mind. If other people don't want to participate in all of that then they wouldn't use it and everyone is happy.Maz
Yes, exactly! I completely agree.
L_Holmes wrote:
Well, from what I read about the app, it seems to have more to do with reading different facial expressions, not eye contact specifically. I don't think this app is to force autistic people to make eye contact, it's to aid in social communication. There's nothing wrong with that.
Yep.
31 Dec 2014, 2:35 am
Jezebel wrote:
The quote below basically covers everything I'm saying.
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Yes, exactly! I completely agree.
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Yes, exactly! I completely agree.
Woo! I was quoted! I was worried that I hadn't clearly explained myself but I'm glad it worked out
EDIT: fixed quote. Also, why isnt there an edit button
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