Autistic Person has Tried to Kill because he's a Virgin
Find me a paper that confirms conclusively that autistics are more likely to be involved in violent crime than the general population. Most accurate research suggests that not only are autistics no more likely than the general population to commit violent crimes, they're actually less likely. Meltdowns and irritability does not equal planned acts of violence.
I will do that... when you point out where I mentioned violent crime in my comments... because I didn't...
And for the record, we are JUST AS likely to be involved in violent crimes as NTs... not more... not less. (there are studies on this, but I am on my phone and have no desire to argue with the damn thing to post links with it)
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Nobody in this thread is saying that autistics can't be violent. What we're saying is that autistics are no more likely to be violent than the general population. It's therefore irrational to have more fear of autistic people being violent than anyone else being violent.
Except that there are many scholarly papers that cite tantrums, meltdowns, aggressive behavior, irritability, and violent outbursts as part of Autistic Spectrum Disorders... We are more prone to this than NTs...
There is, however, confusion as these behaviors are a far cry from attacking and trying to kill someone.
I agree that this is not an autistic behavior... but also, I cannot blame the NTs for being concerned.
Find me a paper that confirms conclusively that autistics are more likely to be involved in violent crime than the general population. Most accurate research suggests that not only are autistics no more likely than the general population to commit violent crimes, they're actually less likely. Meltdowns and irritability does not equal planned acts of violence.
This has been discussed on numerous occasions. Hans Asperger defined as part of his diagnostic criteria for Aspergers the presence of "antisocial behavior". I don't know about America but in New Zealand people with Aspergers are 7 times more likely to be incarcerated for criminal behavior than the general population http://autismnz.org.nz/police/Pol_BeyGuilt.pdf.
The reasons for these statistics are nothing to do with Aspies having criminal tendencies. It has more to do with police and the Justice system in New Zealand not being properly trained to understand the symptoms of autism and how when people lose control and assault somebody or have a compulsion to behave irrationally that they are often not in full control of themselves.
The reasons for these statistics are nothing to do with Aspies having criminal tendencies. It has more to do with police and the Justice system in New Zealand not being properly trained to understand the symptoms of autism and how when people lose control and assault somebody or have a compulsion to behave irrationally that they are often not in full control of themselves.
Yeah. People can google "Neli Latson" for an American example of how that happens.
(Latson was waiting for his local library to open when some panicky, anonymous neighbor calls the police and reports a black man with a gun (no, he didn't have a gun). A cop shows up and grabs him by the back of the neck with no announcement or warning. Latson reacts, cop escalates, struggle ensues, cop falls down and breaks his ankle, and to make a long story short Latson is sentenced to 10.5 years in prison. Initially, he wasn't sentenced to prison, but the place he was sent to was making him suicidal, which was misinterpreted as some sort of aggression and he was then sent to prison. He spent most of his time in solitary (he's not mildly autistic -- people can tell he's not normal pretty quickly).
Recently, by some miracle (after 2-3 years in solitary), Latson was conditionally pardoned. I wonder how many others were not so lucky?
I do believe a lot of these cases of random violence could have been prevented if sexual frustration in people with disabilities is taken more seriously. Sexuality is often seen as an attained luxury by those without disabilities which in the long run can be quite dehumanizing after countless of rejections and ridiculizations. Any attempt to seek help or advice is met with not being taken seriously or being seen as having a false sense of entitlement. The average human can deal with this or gets depressed, but those very few with severe mental disorders completely lose it when the combination of social isolation and sexual frustration drives them over the edge.
Especially social isolation can be an issue, which is one of the causes of the high suicide rate among people with autism. I wish treatment would focus more on improving living conditions and helping making social connections rather than about handing out pills that block negative feelings. At least in what I have experienced treatment is extremely inadequate in actually helping with the problems I have faced and still face. I realize some people really need antidepressants to function but I still feel like they are handed out too easily to people with autism as an easy way to hide symptoms and to mask emotions. Many SSRIs are notorious for making people emotionally numb and altering their moral judgement.
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You seem still fixated on your past support group experience, which is not proof of your theory that Aspergers = violence and that this is some big cover up..
Can't you let your support group complaints go now? We have heard about them in so many threads, your real solution to your perceived victimisation (which may have been real) is not to slur all Aspergers men as violent sociopaths, (as you seem to be implying) but to recognise what you need to do differently, to put things in perspective, let stuff go, and to discover what kind of support would suit you better and where to find it. That may be easier to work out with a counsellor perhaps.
If anyone on WP has been saying that violence is an acceptable communication style, report the post.
While of course we were not there and know what happened in those support groups it should. We should when a person says they were victims of a sexual harassment/crime not use ANY language that implies that the claim did not happen. As it is a common tactic used by defense lawyers, perpetrators and is often said people who just don't get it any language that implies a claim did not happen is a trigger. I am surprised on this board of all places this needs to be pointed out. The damage of the "get over it" advice has been pointed out here all the time. As for Yoshi if you are still in the hellhole of a support group get out as fast as you can. File a criminal complaint against these creeps. Trying to make people sex slaves is still a crime I believe. The idea to seek help whether via a sexual assault hotline a a specialist that help victims of sexual crimes is good advice.
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It's too bad this kid didn't realize that there are plenty of people out there looking to hookup for NSA sex. Obviously he had an internet connection. He should have spent some time figuring out how to use it to get laid. Failing that, even though it's entirely not my thing AT ALL, there is always the option of hiring a professional… but yeah, this guy was nuts or his mind wouldn't have gone into murder mode over this - especially at 17.. it's not like he was 70 and lived a long sexless life or anything.
Anyways, yeah, if anyone's feeling a slight bit murderous because they're a virgin.. find some willing participant to hookup with and get it over with instead of getting all stabby stabby with a knife.
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While I in no way condone what this guy did, and I do hope he gets the help he needs, I can relate to his frustration. It is too bad that we now live in a culture (and have for a while) where the main measure of whether a male is a success or not is based on the number of sexual experiences or relationships he has had. I wasn't very good at relationships for a long time either. I went several years without a date while in graduate school. It made me so depressed that I attempted suicide over it once.
Finding a sexual partner or a hookup isn't very easy for those of us who have poor social skills. I didn't know at the time that I had Asperger's. I watched all of my friends get into relationships and at the time didn't realize that I couldn't read social cues like they could, or that I didn't know most of the rules for social exchanges. I didn't know that during this time period (1985-1996) females had still been socialized to let the men do all the asking out, and that they were just supposed to flirt to let us know that we were supposed to ask them out. Even if I did know that, it wouldn't have mattered because I couldn't read the flirtation signals anyways.
The only thing that I could conclude was that I must be extremely unattractive, because I couldn't have what everyone else had. I have now been married for 15 years to a wonderful, attractive woman, but those feelings still come up a lot. It is very hard to go through life constantly being told by the media that you are a loser because you aren't bedding a different woman every night-in fact you aren't bedding any women at all. Those feelings are very hard to get away from after you do get into a relationship.
Maybe someday our country will get sane again and realize that there is more to success than sex, but I doubt it.
virgin at 17?! hahahaha what a loser. no im just kidding. At 17, there is nothing wrong with being a virgin. This guy must have had some crazy ass hormones combined with an intense interest in women combined with some sort of mental disorder combined with violent tendencies combined with anger at women rejecting him. Thats a recipe for disaster.
Some jail time ought to knock some sense into him. I would say he needs therapy as well but the jail systems are crap they don't even offer therapy to inmates cuz it's too expensive. No wonder theres a lot of repeat offenders because a lot of people who do stuff like this either have mental issues/disorders or some other kind of issue and its left untreated.
This dude probably isn't having a happy life. It won't get much better once he gets out. You go to jail, you screw yourself over. I wish him the best of luck. He's definitely gonna need it. Hopefully he will look back at this and be like what the hell was I thinking?
There is nothing wrong with being a virgin at any age.
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There is nothing wrong with being a virgin at any age.
If you're 40 years old and still a virgin, yes thats pretty bad. 25-30 is understandable if you're "waiting for the right person" but once you get into 40s and you still havn't done it, sorry thats pretty bad.
The good news is that most of you 25 year old virgins will not be by the time you're 40.
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If you're 40 years old and still a virgin, yes thats pretty bad. 25-30 is understandable if you're "waiting for the right person" but once you get into 40s and you still havn't done it, sorry thats pretty bad.
Maybe not if you are staying celibate for an ethical or religious reason. I don't really look at the Pope as a loser.
Professor John wrote: "While I in no way condone what this guy did, and I do hope he gets the help he needs, I can relate to his frustration. It is too bad that we now live in a culture (and have for a while) where the main measure of whether a male is a success or not is based on the number of sexual experiences or relationships he has had".
I don't live in a culture that does that, and I don't know anyone who defines success for a man in that way. And how would I know how many sexual experiences anyone else has had? Unless they chose to tell me, which would be pretty weird immature behaviour and I would be rapidly moving in the opposite direction, as this would be a strong signal that such a person had no concept of boundaries and disclosing highly personal information of a sexual nature to define yourself would be a red light to any woman I know...
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I don't live in a culture that does that, and I don't know anyone who defines success for a man in that way. And how would I know how many sexual experiences anyone else has had? Unless they chose to tell me, which would be pretty weird immature behaviour and I would be rapidly moving in the opposite direction, as this would be a strong signal that such a person had no concept of boundaries and disclosing highly personal information of a sexual nature to define yourself would be a red light to any woman I know...
Apparently New Zealand is much more civilized than the U.S...
It is far too typical for groups of men in the U.S. to dominate a conversation by bragging about their sexual exploits. American reality TV is often a revolting example of this as well which likely perpetuates the notion that male sexual prowess is an indicator of success.
I am a 31 year old male virgin and in no way asexual, but I do believe that a sexual and/or romantic relationship would cause far more burden for me than any potential gains. I don't think 'sex with no strings attached' exists.
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