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22 Mar 2015, 10:27 pm

That describes exactly how I am. I've always been a very unworldly person.


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22 Mar 2015, 10:54 pm

Rocket123 wrote:
This is an extremely interesting observation. Though it seems a bit general. As an example, my wife is an NT. But she doesn’t seem to care that much about social status. She married me, after all.

The less ambitious NTs may not actively try to climb the social status ladder, but will still care a lot about being accepted by and appearing acceptable to others, not limited to friends and family. They will also still be concerned about not losing social status.

Aspies may also care about social status to an extent, but I suspect only as a means to a very pragmatic end, for example being able to get a job that pays the bills, not becoming homeless etc. – and not as a measure of self-worth or superiority.

Aspies may care about social acceptance, but I suspect mainly limited to a few close friends and family.

Am interested to hear from others whether these observations make sense.



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23 Mar 2015, 12:33 am

Yes. Very.


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23 Mar 2015, 1:01 am

yes



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23 Mar 2015, 2:47 am

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Aspie and typical priorities are reversed:

Aspies live to learn about how the world works, and engage in social interaction to share and validate knowledge.

Typical individuals live to gain social acceptance and status, and mainly learn about how the world works only to the extent that it furthers the goal of gaining social status.



I think this is pretty much true too


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23 Mar 2015, 2:51 am

I am starting to wonder whether Aspie mental development during the second and third decade of life is not comparable to the later reorientation phase that typical individuals often refer to as a midlife crisis. As mentioned above, I can't relate at all to the socialisation stage of development, which typical adolescents and young adults seem to go through.

My teenage years and twenties were a period of increasing isolation from wider society, and a period during which I had very few social contacts and interactions. I developed my own idiosyncratic value system, based upon an appreciation of all living creatures, independent of established ideologies and social norms.

It took me some time to learn that many others worry much more about their visible social status in terms of job title and pay than the quality of their work. It also never occurred to me that you had to ask for a pay rise. A colleague eventually explained to me some of the unwritten rules of office politics. By the time I was 35 I had finally understood enough to opt out of corporate employment and related social expectations and constraints.

Now, at age 50, I discover that a few neurotypical individuals of similar age are finally starting to question the logic of some established social norms and institutions. Having lived their whole life according to culturally transmitted norms and values, they have a very hard time admitting to themselves the silliness of playing the social status game, and seem unable to exit the game.

In my world, the heightened curiosity of very young children is a sign of active mental development and maturation, and the socialisation phase of typical mental development is a step backwards, to the kind of power politics shared with our primate cousins.



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24 Mar 2015, 12:46 am

jbw wrote:
Aspie and typical priorities are reversed:

Aspies live to learn about how the world works, and engage in social interaction to share and validate knowledge.

Typical individuals live to gain social acceptance and status, and mainly learn about how the world works only to the extent that it furthers the goal of gaining social status.

Not having typical life goals is perceived as childish and immature. The label knowledgable child sums it up quite nicely.
Feeling alien on this planet is a natural reaction to being confronted with typical priorities and life goals on a daily basis.


This seems very accurate to me and very well said.



jbw wrote:
In my world, the heightened curiosity of very young children is a sign of active mental development and maturation, and the socialisation phase of typical mental development is a step backwards, to the kind of power politics shared with our primate cousins.


This also makes perfect sense to me.



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24 Mar 2015, 3:24 am

I feel like I stopped growing up around age twelve. I'm not interested in adult stuff like work or sex or partying or anything. I miss the days when I could run around pretending to be a talking dog and nobody would bat an eye.

So... :/

I don't think I could call myself "innocent," though. Naïve or gullible, yes. Innocent? I'm far too cynical by now, plus I write some really smutty stuff, so... :oops:

ETA, wow, I...totally did not notice there were four pages to this thing. :oops: :lol:



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24 Mar 2015, 2:12 pm

jbw wrote:
I am starting to wonder whether Aspie mental development during the second and third decade of life is not comparable to the later reorientation phase that typical individuals often refer to as a midlife crisis. As mentioned above, I can't relate at all to the socialisation stage of development, which typical adolescents and young adults seem to go through....

Wow. Another interesting observation.

Personally, I went through several “crisis” in my life. The first was in my youth. I sensed that I would not be successful navigating the world as an adult on my own. The second was after dropping out of college. I was unable to integrate socially and was staring straight into the abyss.

As I think about it, I am not certain I understand the cause of a typical midlife crisis.



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24 Mar 2015, 3:15 pm

That is one thing I may disagree on. People describe me as weird, stern and rather mature.