Why do NTs Need to do things in Unison?
The problem is then an out of context problem. For whatever reason, it never crossed his mind that he was creating a more dangerous situation. How could he have possibly known he was creating a dangerous situation whatsoever?
So, how does one expand one's focus and how does one determine the other metrics to go by especially if others can't or will not tell you?
I understand.
I think it would've been worth it to and worth it to explain where his rationale was off especially when it came to taking initiative. So, really the issue and problem was it was a discrimination and prejudice against teens then.
So, what can we all do for next time so we don't step on our own toes or kick ourselves in the ass? Do you have any tips or algorithmic procedure to go by?
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Kindergarten nap time seems like a time for teachers to get a break from the 5-year-olds.
I remember my preschool teachers eating lunch during preschool nap time.
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If everyone napping at a certain time was weird, I remember when the teacher would give us all a "bathroom break" maybe twice a day. As if we all needed to pee at the same time. We were allowed to stay behind if we didn't need to go but then our teacher would growl at us if we needed to go during class (unless it was an emergency, of course).
We'd have sort of a naptime too, but we didn't lay on mats on the floor. We'd just put our heads on our desk. I didn't think was a very comfortable way to nap. The teacher would also made us do that as a punishment if the class got too noisy. At least teachers of little kids get a break. By junior high they're trying to teach a class of kids who only have one thing on their mind: how long before they can go out and have a smoke (kids were always smoking right outside the school when I went there. I hated it.)
I looked up my kindergarten teacher on Facebook. She had these quotes on her page:
Uncoachable kids become unemployable adults. Let your kid get used to somebody being tough on them! That's life, get over it!
Children hear everything you say, and they mimic everything you do. Give them a good example.
Teachers affect eternity; no one can tell where their influence stops.
The problem is then an out of context problem. For whatever reason, it never crossed his mind that he was creating a more dangerous situation. How could he have possibly known he was creating a dangerous situation whatsoever?
Proper employee safety training is how he could have known, which obviously wasn't done like it should have been, not just stating what the rules are but explaining why they are important.
Making authority look bad or stupid is almost always an automatic grounds for firing.
Breaking the rules/protocol also will get you into trouble, as people of all sorts get into trouble because management makes stupid protocol and rules all the time.
You say it's not the same thing and then prove my point. There was no intention of making anyone look stupid or bad, the intention was to make the workplace as efficient as possible which as I understand current business practices is a major goal. The problem is that the solutions were too "outside the box" to be understood by management. Management saw the changes, didn't understand the changes and punished accordingly. The fact that efficiency was increased and thus their bottom line strengthened was irrelevant, the fact that I acted outside the process is all that matters. Outside the process is viewed as a threat. Results don't matter following the process does. The hive can't tolerate difference because it does not understand it and thus view it as potentially harmful.
If the teacher doesn't follow the rules, they get fired at the drop of a hate and can be sued along with the school
Most little kids need to take naps or they become cranky.
....And this is an early part of the hive-mind training: exceptional students that can last all day must go to sleep, weaker students that need extra nap time must wake when required regardless of their needs. The fact that they are capable or incapable of such things is irrelevant, they must comply. Structure and order above all else.
My premise is that "outside the box" is not allowed, how is any example you or I gave an example of "outside the box" actually being accepted? The topic of the thread is "Why Do NTs Need To Do Things In Unison?" and the answer is "they've been systematically trained to do things in unison." Most autistics have problems with this training, our brains don't process it the same.
There is no 'hive-mind' for someone telling someone else they're stupid. The person who was told they are stupid, or who has perceived that they have been told they are stupid, fires you because they don't like you. When you tell someone lower than you that they are stupid, that person has no recourse, so they cannot fire you.
That is not hive-mind. That is called looking out for yourself. People who understand social structure and nuance can leverage it to their advantage. That is also not hive-mind, that is still an individual looking out for themselves.
Your assertions of NTs having a hive-mind are ridiculous. All that anyone has is a sense of self-preservation. NTs use social structure and nuance to their own individual needs. If you are unable to understand that, then that's probably because you're poor at understanding social nuance.
Social structures arise from a variety of factors, but a desire to maintain a structure because of 'hive-mind' isn't one of them. In fact, I'd say that not wanting things to CHANGE is an exceedingly autistic trait. Social structure is and always will be a patterned meta view that of what individuals feels are best for them, whether it be by matching personal morals, personal wealth, personal pride, etc. even in the most conformist of cultures.
It is how ANY meta look at individual pieces works; the individual pieces are what make the whole. Even if you look at the whole as a whole, the whole is not deterministic of itself, the parts determine the whole. It is a difference of causality.
Hivemind might actually even be able to predict behaviours fairly well, and that's totally fine. But it's not an explanation of why, it is only a thing to put overtop of an existing structure to help you better predict it.
Exactly!
Though some bosses are open to ideas.
The work place and many social situations are "political" in nature and those who can navigate the waters better do better.
No one likes to be corrected, especially in front of others.
Does the hive minds exist, sure they are typically called cults.
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If they're uncoachable, how would being tough on them doing anything? Isn't being tough on them well, a form of "coaching?"
Maybe, but not necessarily.
I don't know about eternity but I can buy a teacher can affect things for 1000s of years. Case in point: Socrates was kind of a teacher. I do accept that what a person does can have ripple effects. Sort of like the butterfly effect when a butterfly flaps its wings and 1000s of years from now a tornado forms on the other side of the globe. I will kind of buy this.
I absolutely agree with you on this. He needed training as well which I don't think was given to him. More than likely though, it was a cost and time saving measure to not provide it and for a lot of people it probably was common sense to them so the employer didn't bother. I don't know. I'm just guessing so I may be wrong.
She was a bad influence, but I'm sure she thought she was a very good one. All her FB posts come across like she is very smug and proud of herself for the influence she had over her students.
Yeah some kind of training was skipped over, but really in most cases like that the manager is just looking for a reason to fire someone. Otherwise they would just explain the rule and get on with things.
That is my only point. All the other things were me pointing out how that is so in specific examples.
"but in animal behavior the pieces are irrelevant to the whole, that the pieces conform to the whole is all that matter"
I 100% disagree with this statement. I think that you're just fitting a macro scheme onto something because you don't understand the micro schemes. You think the structures of people individual people are illogical and not self-serving at all, when they are not illogical at all and are -only- self-serving. You fail at perceiving these patterns and learning, and you -know- you fail at this, so I don't know why you then insist on saying they're illogical.
"Deviations from the meme or the training result in punishment, this is how the hive-mind is developed"
If this were the case then you would be in it too.
Self-serving in America is a meme unto itself, but there's also: "Follow your interest." "If someone hits you hit them back." "Don't take no for an answer." "Do whatever it takes to get ahead." Along with a thousand others, there are more memes for self-serving than about any other concept. This is the number one meme that drives hierarchical control of the hive. Again, this is illogical, self-serving makes for stronger members by making weak members, the power of the hive as a whole is the same. There were no new members gained by the hive, some may have been kicked out, but that power was just assumed by other members. The power of the whole is the same as it was. Power is relative, it can only exist around other power, if power is solitary it has no power over anything therefore it has no power at at all.
Also it should be noted that the concept of self-interest in the mind of a drone is meme controlled as well: the guy who's living off in the woods by himself is a loser, a dropout, a hermit, etc. Whether he's content, nourished, healthy, productive and able to fend for himself or even if he has a mate and has reproduced is irrelevant, he's opted out and the meme factory tells the drones this is unacceptable-- he's too self-serving and doesn't contribute.
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