What has been your biggest revelation about NTs?

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10 Sep 2015, 12:00 pm

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In other words, their empathy works well for getting along with people who look and act like them. Where it doesn't work, they don't have the tools to avoid being unintentionally cruel. It's something you need to be careful of when around them.


In my experience, that can also make them intentionally cruel. Because afterall, if you are not showing pain that they can discern, then they are doing nothing wrong by merely "pushing your buttons" or "pushing boundaries" as they call it.

And, Yes, an insignificant minority can be cruel. And so can Aspies. I have seen some pretty rotten posts on this website, some directed at me.


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10 Sep 2015, 4:08 pm

They have the ability to lie. I don't. They are more loving and caring in my experience than aspies. The first realization was scary. The second one was humbling.



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10 Sep 2015, 4:18 pm

I have learnt that they do not value honesty and integrity as much as they espouse to (most of them)- I am making a generalization, of course. Whenever I have sought out to achieve something, such as an apartment, acquaintance(friendship), job etc from the NT community I noticed that they are more than willing to be kissed up'd to and to be fed lies rather than to hear the truth. It all seems very superficial to me in that I realized I needed to act in a superficial and unrealistic way in order to receive their approval or to advance forward (to appease them). Also, I feel that they are very heartless and do not have the ability to make any long lasting connections. I find that they are very egotistical and when a person or situation is no longer satisfying their needs- it is "see ya, wouldn't want to be ya". They have a keen aptitude to turn on each other in an instant instead of helping one another, which is something I could never understand.

I actually find aspies more caring and interested in others than NTs, although the community at large would have you think the opposite. NTs also play a lot of mind games in relationships that are not necessary and tend to degrade the self worth of their partners.

Let me reiterate that these are just generalizations. I'm sure there are NTs out there that are nothing like this at all.



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10 Sep 2015, 4:31 pm

You haven't been fried yet by gamma rays because the Earth is round. If we hypothetically allow for a flat earth, where's the lateral pressure creating the magma heat and granular friction we need for a magnetic field? You're falling right now, you just can't pass through a floor. Lasers are directed energy AND light, light is a particle OR a wave, as long as you take into account the possibilities implied by this looking at it either way. Composite images of event horizons showing light spiraling in are COMPOSITES. The earth is round, it is NOT a spheroid, otherwise how could we have dry land? My only explanation for people in this century believing this noise is neo-luddite media organizations and pure entropic abberance.

I realize now that NTs will factually delude anybody, themselves included, when any piece of disinformation is sensational enough to turn a profit.
@Crazyfool: You're cool, I actually find flat Earth debates to be great practice and you're an upfront chill guy.


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11 Sep 2015, 6:47 am

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If the world was flat, people taking around-the-world trips via ship would have floated into space.

Ever since at least Ancient Greek days, it was pretty much ascertained that the world is a spheroid--not a perfect sphere, of course.

If there's a God/gods/etc, I believe this Creator would have created a complex, rounded planet rather than a flat one. It just makes more sense.


Really? If I was a god and I had a basketball or a plate and a hand full of ants to colonize one or the other, I would think it'd make more sense to go with a never-ending plane (plate reference) over some ball floating, spinning, and moving though the universe at violent speeds.



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11 Sep 2015, 10:49 am

Not everybody's an ant, though.



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11 Sep 2015, 11:45 am

Well, not all NT's are alike, so it's pretty difficult to answer your question. However, what often surprises me is when NT's are being rude and saying completely wrong things without thinking, hurting other people's feelings. Things I would never say, I mean.

Another thing that always surprises me is when people tell me they are bored when they are alone with their thoughts. That never happens to me.



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11 Sep 2015, 4:07 pm

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Another thing that always surprises me is when people tell me they are bored when they are alone with their thoughts. That never happens to me.


^Yes! And also - the widespread terror of being alone in life even for short periods. Neither of those happen to me. I enjoy exploring thoughts by myself, and solitude is absolutely necessary to me for reflection and growth.

Even as a child this was so.



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11 Sep 2015, 4:13 pm

I would say the earth is like 99 point something percent round. It's not totally round--but virtually so.



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11 Sep 2015, 4:23 pm

B19 wrote:
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Another thing that always surprises me is when people tell me they are bored when they are alone with their thoughts. That never happens to me.


^Yes! And also - the widespread terror of being alone in life even for short periods. Neither of those happen to me. I enjoy exploring thoughts by myself, and solitude is absolutely necessary to me for reflection and growth.

Even as a child this was so.


As a child I used to prefer being alone too, but mainly because of bad behavior of others. I'd hate building something with say legos and having some other kid come over and knock it down and then me get in trouble for being upset.



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12 Sep 2015, 2:48 am

glebel wrote:
And, Yes, an insignificant minority can be cruel. And so can Aspies. I have seen some pretty rotten posts on this website, some directed at me.


Yes, aspies can be cruel, even intentionally cruel, but more often than not, it is in response to some jackass pissing them off in some way. The nature of NT cruelty however can be quite different.



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12 Sep 2015, 3:08 am

That they can look you in the eye and lie to your face, knowing full well that they know that you know they are lying and carrying on regardless.

It like walking into a wall repeatedly on the assumption that their belief will turn the wall into a door



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13 Sep 2015, 3:12 am

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That they can look you in the eye and lie to your face, knowing full well that they know that you know they are lying and carrying on regardless.

It like walking into a wall repeatedly on the assumption that their belief will turn the wall into a door


That happens a lot to me too. Many times they lie not knowing I know they're lying and many times they know I know they're lying but they lie anyway. I do not detect any shame or embarrassment when they lie. For the heck of me, I can't figure out what is going through their head when they do that. Can some NT clue us in?



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13 Sep 2015, 9:13 am

Not NT, however...

There are different types of lie. For example, white lies, when you lie because telling the truth would cause someone to get upset and lying is fairly harmless. There's a thing called "plausible deniability" which is similar. For example, if one NT is hitting on another, they'll often both say things in such a way that theycould be having a normal conversation in order to spare any potential embarrassment. They'll only be straight with each other when they're sure that they're both interested. Or if she thinks he's too unattractive, she might say "sorry, I have a boyfriend", because again, it spares his feelings, and it's also easier for him - even if he knows it isn't true. When football (soccer) clubs have to release young players who aren't good enough, they'll often say "you're too small", because that's easier to hear than "you're no good at the thing you've been trying hard for all your life".

There are also manipulative people who will just lie and lie and lie in order to achieve their own ends, but these are mercifully rare and probably deserve sympathy as much as anything.



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13 Sep 2015, 10:00 am

I've learned, within my life, that almost anybody can be said to have some kind of "disorder" at any moment during any day.



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13 Sep 2015, 11:17 am

I am not talking about little white lies either. These are lies that have material impact on me and others.

The_Walrus wrote:
Not NT, however...

There's a thing called "plausible deniability" which is similar. For example, if one NT is hitting on another, they'll often both say things in such a way that theycould be having a normal conversation in order to spare any potential embarrassment.


Would be great to see an example of such a conversation coz I'm absolutely clueless about these things.