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29 Dec 2015, 9:41 pm

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I didn't mean to come on so strong. I just mean that aspies shouldn't feel uncomfortable having it. I don't mean that we are superior to NTs in anyway, just that we are good at what we do (i.e. our careers, and 'special interests')


No worries, and sure; I'd agree with that first part and certainly won't begrudge you the second part even if I don't think its necessarily the case.

I see people who do feel bad about it and it makes me sad. I don't like it one bit and see no real benefit to it, but I'm not going to sit around feeling sorry for myself because of it. I see it as something to be conquered, and that works for me.


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29 Dec 2015, 10:38 pm

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I didn't mean to come on so strong. I just mean that aspies shouldn't feel uncomfortable having it. I don't mean that we are superior to NTs in anyway, just that we are good at what we do (i.e. our careers, and 'special interests')


The only reason us aspies feel uncomfortable about having it is because of how NT's treat us. I'm happy and content being who I am. It just that society won't let me be me.



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29 Dec 2015, 10:51 pm

I, for one, thinks it's a matter of culture (how matched or mismatched, how tolerant or intolerant towards the neuroatypical trait) and desire for security (driving factors of curebies' "wants" of being an NT - a 'normal' life, job, friends, family, love, even the typical instinct to conform and socialize)

For me, it's either a gift AND a curse but I take advantage every bit of it instead of whining about how 'successful' NTs are, I simply assess what and how NTs perceive as wrong and turn the tables. Even it's just as annoying and complicated, even it feels like an unwanted obligation.

If NTs follow their culture, and if said culture is tolerant and open to people who are different
If the culture itself fits in the neuroatypical traits and deems it as 'natural' than a defect... Things would be different.


I do not hate curebies in general because they know what they are and what they want. But I do hate deniers denying who and what they are especially when lying is involved.


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29 Dec 2015, 11:17 pm

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For me, it's either a gift AND a curse but I take advantage every bit of it instead of whining about how 'successful' NTs are....
It's funny you mention that. When I came to NYC about 30 years ago, full of ego and (now, I see, obviously blind to my situation) ready to take on the world, too young to be intimidated, too stupid to know better. And, combined with my lack of a sense of danger, it's amazing that I survived. Heck, I even came to NYC with only $200.00 in my pocket, starting a new job and not getting paid for almost a month. These were the good old days of Dinkins and NYC was not like it is now. It was a very humbling experience. I went from not even being a big fish in a small pond, to being an infinitesimal fish in an ocean. I did make my mark. But, it was humbling to see the real and true quality of much of the work other people did. Humbling, but a distinct pleasure to see work by some true art geniuses.

So, I never worried about how successful I was compared to others of any ilk. I learned that I was good at what I did. I also learned I wasn't as good as I thought I was. So, meh, screw other people's avarice. I have none in those regards. I just want to understand. As they say, cliche it is, "The truth shall set ye free." And that will let me be the best I can be.


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29 Dec 2015, 11:47 pm

Call me close minded, but I don't exactly "get" trans-neurology. I can definitely see why an aspie would want to be more NT, because hey, it's kind of hard getting by with a drastically different neurology in a world literally filled with NTs. Likewise, I can see why an individual who isn't diagnosed with a neurological condition could suspect that they aren't NT, and as such carry a self diagnosis of autism or another condition. Trans-neurology however, suggests an individual who is NT, and knows it, but somehow they want to be autistic or whatever. IMO, this seems more like either a cry for attention, or a reluctantness for someone to admit their neurodiversity. Instead of someone saying they're trans-autistic, why don't they just say that they're self-diagnosed autistic, if they truly feel that they are?

Now, transgender individuals are neurodiverse in an interesting way, because it basically means that you have one gender's brain in another gender's body. An XY female is someone who was born with a male body, but a female brain; this isn't a typical neurology for a biologically male individual. They may be like an NT female in every other way, but they're neurodiverse in that they have an atypical neurology for their body.

I hope I haven't offended anyone with this post.



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30 Dec 2015, 12:21 am

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Call me close minded, but I don't exactly "get" trans-neurology. I can definitely see why an aspie would want to be more NT, because hey, it's kind of hard getting by with a drastically different neurology in a world literally filled with NTs. Likewise, I can see why an individual who isn't diagnosed with a neurological condition could suspect that they aren't NT, and as such carry a self diagnosis of autism or another condition. Trans-neurology however, suggests an individual who is NT, and knows it, but somehow they want to be autistic or whatever. IMO, this seems more like either a cry for attention, or a reluctantness for someone to admit their neurodiversity. Instead of someone saying they're trans-autistic, why don't they just say that they're self-diagnosed autistic, if they truly feel that they are?

Now, transgender individuals are neurodiverse in an interesting way, because it basically means that you have one gender's brain in another gender's body. An XY female is someone who was born with a male body, but a female brain; this isn't a typical neurology for a biologically male individual. They may be like an NT female in every other way, but they're neurodiverse in that they have an atypical neurology for their body.

I hope I haven't offended anyone with this post.

Don't see anything wrong with your post. Carries a certain logic that is worth investigating.


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30 Dec 2015, 12:29 am

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Don't see anything wrong with your post. Carries a certain logic that is worth investigating.


I agree. Seems right on the money.


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30 Dec 2015, 12:39 am

^ Thank you, both of you. :)



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30 Dec 2015, 12:56 am

I'm trans-income.

I want an operation to make me rich.

And....

I'm trans-identity

I wanna be the young Warren Beatty.

NO!

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30 Dec 2015, 1:14 am

I often find myself wishing I could act more like I was NT so that I could be more successful socially, but I don't think that makes me "trans" anything. Sure, it'd help me make friends, but occasionally it's nice to be the guy who can tell people off the top of his head more than they wanted to know about casting your own bullets out of salvaged lead, reloading (even with "non-reloadable" steel casings like those used in that cheap Russian Tulammo), as well as making firearms, explosives, incendiary devices, and more out of common, readily accessible materials.

My special interest hasn't made me very popular, but lots of people have told me that if there's ever some kind of major disaster, I'm the guy they want to be with when it happens. :D

Honestly, I don't know if I would change if I could. There's certainly a chance I'd decide to stay who I am. Since that's not an option though, I'll just have to accept myself and/or actively work on being more like who I want to be.



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30 Dec 2015, 3:45 am

It is plausable NTs themselves want to become one of the neuroatypicals and not for jerkassery or for some stupid excuse or reason.


I've met few NTs who want to be one mostly because of social constraints they kept following.


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30 Dec 2015, 5:21 am

I can understand why some aspies want to be NT.

I don't know exactly what I am, but I don't want to be like NTs. I like my positive "eccentric" traits.

I'm honest.
I speak my mind.
I'm logical.
I'm true to myself.
I like to learn and study things and I have passion.
I think about things very deeply.
I hyperfocus (it's useful)
I see things others do not.

I think these are good things so why should I want to change them?

What I would like to change:

Social ineptitude
Poor executive functioning
Sensory processing disorder
Problems with cognitive empathy

So I don't know why I shouldn't be able to keep the good things while working on dealing with the not-so-good things.

Maybe NTs can work on getting some of the positive aspie traits and then we'll all meet in the middle (metaphorically).



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30 Dec 2015, 6:29 am

I hate having Asperger's, and I am not proud of it, never have been, never will.

And it seems that most NTs around me are in good jobs, and it doesn't look very likely that I'm going to find a job I enjoy or pays good money, because of my high anxiety issues and attention difficulties. It's more annoying when people assume that I've got a special interest to focus on or could get one, because I haven't. I find it difficult to even focus on interests.

Asperger's affects me emotionally more than anything else. I am sensitive to certain things and find things upsetting what don't upset anyone else. It can sometimes cause me to yell angrily, making people feel uneasy around me. But I can't help myself at the time. Something gets said that unintentionally distresses me, and I have to say something. I seem to want closure if something upsets me.

Also I'm more prone to being grouchy more than the average NT, due to having anxiety and panic issues and depression on and off. I don't enjoy being like this. It's just the way my mind works.

I am on 50mg Sertraline, which do stop the rage outbursts I used to have. They were terrible. I self-harmed, screamed, shouted abuse at others in the house, and kicked my bedroom door so much it needed to be replaced. I haven't had one of those since before I went on Sertraline, which was about 18+ months ago. So I rather stay on Sertraline, but I still can't help the way I get easily offended about silly things and act sulky a lot.


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30 Dec 2015, 8:26 am

I think the thing that pisses me off about some of this is this:
1) People like to think they are caring. But, most can only care about things they actually see
a) Ex: young person with a hidden disability gets out of a car in handicapped parking. people harangue him (even though he has ID with proper notifications. But, they won't let up until he lifts his shirt and they see the tubes coming out of his abdomen. That was an actual true story I read. Basically, if they can't see it, it ain't real.

2) While most of us are high enough functioning yet, just enough off, YOU'RE the problem child, not the other way around.
a) Ex: "Why do you always look so angry?" that sort of thing.
b) or worse when you're younger, "Why are you so weird, stuck up, snobby, know-it all, etc?"


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30 Dec 2015, 9:09 am

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30 Dec 2015, 10:07 am

zkydz wrote:
I think the thing that pisses me off about some of this is this:
1) People like to think they are caring. But, most can only care about things they actually see
a) Ex: young person with a hidden disability gets out of a car in handicapped parking. people harangue him (even though he has ID with proper notifications. But, they won't let up until he lifts his shirt and they see the tubes coming out of his abdomen. That was an actual true story I read. Basically, if they can't see it, it ain't real.

2) While most of us are high enough functioning yet, just enough off, YOU'RE the problem child, not the other way around.
a) Ex: "Why do you always look so angry?" that sort of thing.
b) or worse when you're younger, "Why are you so weird, stuck up, snobby, know-it all, etc?"


Becoming psychically disabled in the past year has given me first hand experience in the the austounding difference in how people with visible and invisible conditions are treated.


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