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18 May 2005, 2:30 am

Psychopaths rarely concern themselves with the physical and emotional well being of anybody but themselves and definitely not society at large or all of humanity.



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18 May 2005, 2:37 am

However they do lead you to think they do for their own purposes, like, say, being declared the messiah and having a big following of people to groom your ego. Who'd follow him if he came out and said "Yeah, I'm a psychopath. Worship me"?


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18 May 2005, 2:48 am

I should have time to discuss that possibility tomorow.
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18 May 2005, 12:53 pm

/me thinks he was a religious philosopher...


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18 May 2005, 8:14 pm

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the Jews were mostly a bunch of uneducated gomers that couldn't understand anything else and the parables also translate well into other languages.


Watch it, as I am a Jew and I personally find that highly offensive.

And you are wrong. Historically, Jew and Muslim populations were the highest educated and the most literate. In fact when England expelled the Jews, in the early middle ages, the people were often ravaged by disease and left without knowledge of cures, b/c the Jews were the people who were the doctors and had vasts amounts of medical knowledge. Also, Jesus spoke in parables, b/c that is how Jews teach one another, through the TANAKH and the TORAH (capitalized not to yell, but that is how they are written), as the bible can be seen as a very long parable regarding the creation of the universe and the history of the Hebrew people. Jesus was only speaking in the way that he himself had been taught.

Fiona, not everyone here, nor in the world for that matter, thinks that Jesus was anything more than a Jewish Rabbi and radical, who was pissed off at the Roman oppressors and the old order of Jews who ran the Temple and the Court. I for one think that Jesus was a rebellious, compassionate human who was born on this earth to attempt to bring the Jews to the real TORAH and that he was not attempting to establish a separate religion per se. But, that is my opinion and obviously you are free to have yours, but that is what it is, an opinion, not a fact.

As for being an Aspie? On some level I think Jesus was a little too empathetic to be an Aspie, but then I am totally oversensitive, so maybe not?

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19 May 2005, 12:41 am

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8. No apparent girlfriend, wife or really any friends. Just a fan club.


Yay - someone else has that thought too :)

I've always thought that Jesus was the first star (I mean no disrepect for the guy - by the sounds of it he deserves his popularity).


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20 May 2005, 7:24 pm

back on topic... :lol:


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21 May 2005, 3:45 am

tallgirl wrote:
Watch it, as I am a Jew and I personally find that highly offensive.

I'm at least 1/16th Jewish myself and this was not intended to be directed at you.

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And you are wrong. Historically, Jew and Muslim populations were the highest educated and the most literate. In fact when England expelled the Jews, in the early middle ages, the people were often ravaged by disease and left without knowledge of cures, b/c the Jews were the people who were the doctors and had vasts amounts of medical knowledge.
The Muslims came 500 years after Nero exiled the Jews from Palestine and the midde ages were another 500 years after that. Furthermore, the Muslims had more advanced mathematics and science (after the 6th century) while the Jews were strong in literature (as of 1-70A.D.), and the Roman occupation was not exactly a cultural renisance for the Jews by the stretch of anybody's immagination. After Nero scattered the Jews all over the Eastern Hemisphere in 70A.D., the Jews did become extremey well educated and resorceful.



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21 May 2005, 1:24 pm

The thing with the rise of Islamic civilisation is that the Abbasid caliphate paid scholars to translate ancient Roman and Greek books, which lead to the advancement of science and maths based upon the knowledge previously acquired. However, the problem came in regards to literature where the scholars decided not to translate much of the ancient Roman literature due to more payment in translation of scientific books.


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22 May 2005, 6:07 pm

If anything, I think Jesus of Nazereth came closer to having narcissistic personality disorder than Asperger's syndrome. It is not uncommon for narcissists and psychopaths to develop cults using their charisma and public speaking skills. Actually, subclinical manifestations of psychopathy, which includes a component of malignant narcissism, are common in successful business people, politicians, and other leader-type people.

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(1) has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)


Son of God, anyone?

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(2) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love


He constantly spoke of a Kingdom of Heaven and love for all.

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(3) believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)


Not many people get to be a messiah.

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(4) requires excessive admiration


He had twelve apostles clinging to his every word and a whole cult and mythology develop around him after his crucifixion.

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(8) is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her


He can't be a prince on earth, so he declares himself to be a prince of heaven. He tells people to forget about Caesar, the emperor in Rome.

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(9) shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes


He had a fit when people were "blaspheming" "his father's" temple in Jerusalem.



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22 May 2005, 6:17 pm

Very interesting, NeantHumain. But other times he shows a great deal of love and compassion. Maybe Jesus had multiple personalities?



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22 May 2005, 7:09 pm

Another interesting thing about the longbow is that nobody alive today is physically capable of firing a full-sized one - longbowmen had to train from a very early age to be able to fire them and ended up with deformed musculature and skeletal-structure as a result (mediaeval longbowmen can be easily identified from their excavated bones because of this).


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22 May 2005, 10:02 pm

Yes, I would have to say Jesus showed an inordinate amount of compassion for others which would be quite uncharacteristic of an NPDer. Although some of the things you pointed out do strike a chord.

But given his (supposed) childhood history, he seemed to have a fairly good life and loving family. This would most likely not produce a Personality Disorder as PDs often arise from less healthy environments.

But I also think Jesus was a bit too functional perhaps for suffering from a psychosis, which would more likely cut out Schizophrenia and probably Bipolar as well as the Schizo-Affective and any kind of Psychotic NOS.

Is a puzzlement!


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23 May 2005, 1:21 am

I do not believe that he had any sort of mental conditions, as theoretically if he did it would have been said that he was possessed by demons and so would not be famous.


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10 Jun 2005, 9:25 am

<Descends from the sky to impart sagely musings>

...because insane people are never famous, right?

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10 Jun 2005, 11:39 am

He he he. Clever.


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