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01 Jan 2016, 5:07 pm

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I like being able to quote even if it's just a bit BeaArthur but I'm surprised it let me quote you there.....the captchas have been impossible lately and I had to remove what I tried to quote to post earlier in this thread, so it's been harder to make sense.

Maybe cloudflare will be quieter now. We can hope!

What works for me: the minute I see that Captcha thing, I back-browser to my previous screen, put my cursor in the Reply field, do a Ctrl-A (select All) and a Ctrl-C (copy), then hit Submit again, then do the captcha, then paste (Ctrl-V) from my paste buffer into the Reply field of the next screen. I highlight any text that was there so when I do the Paste it overwrites whatever's there.

It's a nuisance but it's better than losing my text completely, which is what used to happen before I tried this other way.


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01 Jan 2016, 5:47 pm

When the captcha thing gets bad I paste and it takes me to the screen to enter the captcha and I do and then I get a blank screen over and over and after 5-10 tries I'm just so frustrated. This used to happen a lot, then things were good for a bit, so it was disappointing to keep trying to paste and never get anywhere....



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01 Jan 2016, 6:23 pm

Oh golly! That's a bummer. Maybe a different browser would help. I'm using Chrome.

I do web support of an eCommerce site and half the time I start out by suggesting they try a different browser. Not because that's a sophisticated solution but because our development team can never keep up with all the browsers and versions of browsers out there. :(


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01 Jan 2016, 10:01 pm

Waterfalls, I think you are pretty on target here. I only see him once a month and my insurance is not paying and for it and never has. I actually don't even have insurance right now.

I don't think that it would really bother me that much if I stopped seeing him. I am not attached to him. I am just tired of being abandoned and did not want another abandonment notch on my belt. It's more the concept I am tired of going through rather than the specific person. Like Startrekker said, I am attached to the consistency and the presence of being in that safe place every month and I do like it with him but I am not attached to him in the sense that if I stop seeing him I am going to fall apart and cease to function. I have only been seeing him an hour a month for a year. It has not been that long.

And it is very likely that I do overwhelm him. I do suffer from that classic Aspie super intense trait and my intensity can blow anyone out of the water. And I do tend to get extremely deep and profound and I have no problems being upfront about challenging his way of viewing us. And he has expressed his desire and need to learn from me on many occasions so that he can help his other patients. That is actually how our sessions started. He wanted to learn from me and I said that in order to do so he would have to take me on as a patient. But I can see how he has to justify what he is supposed to be doing so if he feels he is not equipped to do it and would rather not than we can end it. But I am not going to see someone else. I don't need to be shuffled around from therapist to therapist just so that they can try to treat me. I have lived most of my life without them and I don't need to continue seeing them. The handful of therapists I have seen on and off throughout my life have never actually helped me with anything. I like him because he wanted to learn and because he gave me a nice environment where I could hash out my solutions and strategies. And it was nice just having the reassurance of someone there with whom I could speak with no limitations on what I wanted to talk about. But that's the extent of it. I consider him a friend because I do. Whether or not he considers me one is irrelevant and has no bearing on anything. He can be as professional as he needs and that is fine. I don't want to date the guy, I just like talking to him.

What happened in his office the other day is something that is part of my normal life. If it freaked him out, that is something he will have to work through within himself. I can help him with that if he wants but it's not me that has the problem that needs to be corrected. He needs to grow in his understanding of people and realize that we don't all function the same way. If he can't or does not want to do that I can't help him. And by the way I chose a tight corner right next to his stereo which was playing wonderful Celtic soft music which I love. The corner was super tight so the pressure felt great. A weighted blanket would have been amazing. And there was no violence or headbanging or screaming or yelling or meltdown, just a release of tears and talking in a very young way. A release of feelings of fear over some specific things that had happened the week before that were scary, but nothing more than that. He could not understand all the words and my inability to speak and my desire to feel all the textures of all the marble balls and beads in his office may have freaked him out a little but but I don't think that it did because he encouraged me to touch everything and see how it felt.

I think he just freaked out over seeing me go into very young child mode and have a release there. But if he feels that that is something that needs to be addressed and dealt with and something that needs to be gotten rid of in my character, than I don't think I will be willing to keep seeing him anyway. Even if I could "get rid" of child mode, I really don't want to. I don't think it will make me a better person in any way. If anything, it would just make me much more exhausted all the time to constantly be functioning in adult mode and I would probably just become very hardened and calloused and just be in auto pilot all the time and stop caring about anything. It would be so exhausting that I would end up just living my life going through the motions. It would not be the first time that people have tried to get rid of my child mode. All it does is make me an empty shell with no life. And child mode never really ever goes away, it just hides deep where no one can see it.

But I get it that he can't understand this and that he thinks it might be bad and needing to be gotten rid of. If that's the case, I'll just get rid of him. I do love working with him and hate the thought of losing him but I am not going back into robot mode.


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01 Jan 2016, 10:12 pm

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Anyway I hope skibum feels she has been listened to in this thread and got some useful feedback.... I think she did say that above. (but I am not quoting!)
Oh yes, Absolutely. I am so grateful for all of your responses and feedback, everyone. It is very helpful and I love reading all the different perspectives. I am learning a lot as well. So definitely, thank you everyone.


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01 Jan 2016, 10:15 pm

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Probably that he doesn't understand most of your thinking and behavior and he finds it hard to relate to you to be able to help you in therapy.
I think you are right. What bugs me is that these therapists and some other people in my real life always and think they have to actively help and that is the worst thing they can do for me. They don't realize that the best and most effective way to help someone like me is to stop trying to help and just chill out and get to know me. Once you do that the help will just materialize from that. That is what has always worked for me.


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01 Jan 2016, 10:26 pm

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"What do you think it means if your therapist says he's not equipped to help you?"

I think he means exactly that. If he doesn't feel he is qualified to be your therapist, then that's that. I can see how you would view this as a rejection, but it's not. It's a statement of fact. I also understand that you have found your sessions helpful and had a trust for him. That's good, but it doesn't mean he will be with you for the rest of your life. I think you should think about this positively. In my own experience with mental health professionals, I find it's better not to emotionally bond with them. They are like any other doctors and shouldn't be thought of as friends. Who knows what the next one will be like.

I can't not emotionally bond with a therapist. It's not possible. If I am not emotionally bonded they only get the intellectual side of me and they never actually see all of me so it's impossible for them to do anything of any significance for me. I don't need to pay for that. I can get that from anyone. But just because I am emotionally bonded with therapist or with anyone else does not mean that I can't give them up. I can drop him in a heartbeat and I had already left that message on his voicemail before I even started this entire thread. I am used to emotionally bonding with many people and most of them don't stay in my life. That is just part of having a child personality. I bond emotionally very strongly and very deeply and it could be with anyone. So because I have always been this way and it's the norm for people to be constantly departing out of my life, I have just learned that that is the norm for me.

Now in my adult life there were three people in particular which I was bonded to beyond the norm and the difference is that they were also bonded to me. They had reciprocated that bond. So when they decided that I was no longer worth the effort and dropped me like a hot potato, that is where the abandonment came in. But I have very strong emotional bonds with people and have had them since early childhood. But none of those people reciprocate that bond, most of them don't even realize that it's there, so because it's never reciprocated and it's always one way, those people leaving my life is just normal for me. So it would not be a huge deal for him to leave. It would be a bit of an abandonment feeling and a little unsettling because and only because he saw me in child mode. Very few people have access to that and if you ever do than that makes things a little tricky. So if he were to leave me for that it would be a bit unfair in my perspective. I understand it and I respect it and I am fine with it because I understand it, but I still find it very unfair. So in that sense, the abandonment feelings would recur. But I would just continue on just like I have with the other three. I don't know why my life should be any different just because it's him.


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01 Jan 2016, 10:34 pm

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I think he is helping me a lot. I don't think he understands how much he is helping me. He said something about giving me over to an expert. But he does not understand that what he thinks is help is not what I think is help. But what he is giving me is very helpful even if he does not think it's help. I don't want someone new. I don't want an "expert." What helps me is consistency, not strategies and methods. What helps me is a change from a pattern of abandonment in my life. The strategies and methods are not important. I have been figuring those out my entire life and have been doing a good enough job of it myself, so much so that no one in my family even knew I was Autistic. But what kills me is constantly being abandoned. And this feels like just another one of those experiences to add to the list.

As long as I keep my Autistic traits hidden, people will stick with me. Once they see them, they abandon me. If I keep my relationships superficial and in the boxes people want them in, people will stick with me. Once my traits start to really show, once I relax and open up to people and they see the real me, they run.

Strategies and methods are fine because they help a little. But they are only surface skills. What helps me is for someone to see me as me completely, with all my Aspie issues and quirks and not run in fear. I don't need my therapist to help me with surface stuff, I need my therapist to be able to stick around when he sees what's being hidden. I can teach him the strategies and we can refine them together. But I can't have someone who just wants to work on surface skills.

And Waterfalls, you are right. This is a huge blow which is so big considering all the other things going on. It's so huge. I spent the whole day today in bed not able to move.

And it could be a motivation factor too but motivation for what? Nothing has been defined as anything I need to be motivated to do or not do.

I think he feels overwhelmed. He says my mind is so profound and so deep and when I write it's a lot and very powerful stuff. I don't think he is used to dealing with someone this deep and this intelligent who expects people to rise to that same level but yet is so incredibly childlike and vulnerable. I don't know that he has ever met anyone like me.

I can understand that. So I am not concerned about whether he has the academic knowledge to "help" me. The greatest help one can give me is to not abandon me.


If I were you, I would tell him this. Let him know how important he is to you, and how detrimental to your mental health and progress it would be if he left. I'm in the same boat. What I find helpful in therapy is less about the strategies and coping mechanisms, which I'm already pretty good at, but rather, the consistency and predictability of having another person there to talk to every week, and the reassurance that they will accept all of me, not just the socially acceptable parts of me. Good luck Skibum, this is hard stuff you're dealing with, and I hope it ends up okay for you.
Thank you Startrekker.
I don't really know that he is that vital to my mental health though. He is very helpful in that way that he is and I am really grateful and I really love that but I don't know that it's vital. And he is very important to me because I consider him a friend. But I don't think I am going to lay down and die if I no longer have him. I will just carry on like I have before this past year. It's harder without him than with but I have lived this long and I can't imagine that he is making all the difference. But I love the help I have received, it's been great and it is a huge stress release. But if he does not want to continue than I am not going to make him.

And I totally agree with you about the consistency of the situation. That is one of the most helpful parts. But as far as strategies and solutions, I can do just as well talking to trees and taxidermy at the nature center which I happen to find extremely therapeutic. That actually does more for the state of my mental health than he or any other therapist have ever done.

I want to stay with him because he is helpful, just not in the way he wants to be or thinks he should be. It would be a great loss to lose that but it's won't be anything that I can't easily get over.


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01 Jan 2016, 10:39 pm

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I know one way to get rid of sensory issues. You should experiment with different diets or supplements that treat autistic symptoms. Fun stuff like special interests didn't go away for me. The main thing that went away was sensory issues. I used to have horrible sensory issues as a kid(don't really remember), but now my sensory issues are barely there. I still have to deal with pretty bad sensory issues once in a while, but it's rare enough I can call in sick when I have them. Even when my sensory issues are at their worst they're still not bad enough to cause meltdowns. Imagine being a able to call in sick whenever you have sensory issues.

Thank you DK. I will definitely consider these options.


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01 Jan 2016, 10:39 pm

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What bugs me is that these therapists and some other people in my real life always and think they have to actively help and that is the worst thing they can do for me. They don't realize that the best and most effective way to help someone like me is to stop trying to help and just chill out and get to know me. Once you do that the help will just materialize from that. That is what has always worked for me.

I like help. I don't like people deciding I am broken and they have to fix me and make make me normal....or ignore me! That's the part about your story I am upset reading because it happens so much. I hope this has a happy ending for you. I hope he sees that you don't need his help for exactly what he might expect because you are not typical, you're you and have great depth and compassion that is beautiful and I don't understand how anyone could be around you without wanting to get to know you. I still think it may turn out as you hope.....we will have to wait and see.

I read your last two posts Skibum when I went to post....you are very strong.....I could not do that at all. You are very, very strong.



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01 Jan 2016, 10:40 pm

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...What I find helpful in therapy is less about the strategies and coping mechanisms, which I'm already pretty good at, but rather, the consistency and predictability of having another person there to talk to every week, and the reassurance that they will accept all of me, not just the socially acceptable parts of me.

I think everyone would like that, but it's not the purpose of therapy.
I think that sucks. The purpose of therapy should be according to what each individual needs not according to what the great academic therapy gods say the purpose of therapy is.


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01 Jan 2016, 10:44 pm

I kind of think that how I feel about the issue does not matter. i think that it just is what it is. If he wants to stop working with me than he should stop but I will no longer teach him. But I don't think he has the right to pass me off. It is my right to refuse to see someone else and I will execute that right. Mainly because I am not going to pay for it. He gave me a great deal and unless someone else wants to give me a similar deal, I don't have the money. And I am certainly not going to see someone who is going to keep me at arm's length. I have friends who can give me intellectual advice. I don't need to pay for that.

If you want to work with me than you are going to have to get your hands dirty. If you don't want to do that than don't expect me to come for treatment. People were not there for me the whole time I was growing up. I cried out for help and therapy my whole life growing up. No one wanted to treat me or help me then and now people want to complain about how I developed. Go figure.


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01 Jan 2016, 10:53 pm

I have a suggestion and I don't think you will like it, but don't answer right away.

You were very surprised and dismayed that when your child side came out, he said he felt he was not equipped to deal with you. Now, you are telling us that you can drop him in a minute and you have done such a thing many times before when your hopes were not realized and you felt abandoned. But I just went back and read your first one or two posts in this entire thread, and it sounds like you have benefited by working with him and don't want to leave him.

I suggest that you schedule one more session with him to work through your feelings about terminating therapy. Instead of just never going back, go through the awkwardness of telling him how it felt when he said he was not equipped, and talk a little about this abandonment thing. Then, you two can wrap it up.

Often the termination of therapy is quite significant and you would be missing an opportunity if you did not talk about what happened. I have the feeling you have never told any of the people who abandoned you that you felt that they abandoned you, and how devastating that has felt. So this would be a new thing for you and I think you might grow by talking about it.

I wish you all the luck.


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01 Jan 2016, 11:09 pm

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I have a suggestion and I don't think you will like it, but don't answer right away.

You were very surprised and dismayed that when your child side came out, he said he felt he was not equipped to deal with you. Now, you are telling us that you can drop him in a minute and you have done such a thing many times before when your hopes were not realized and you felt abandoned. But I just went back and read your first one or two posts in this entire thread, and it sounds like you have benefited by working with him and don't want to leave him.

I suggest that you schedule one more session with him to work through your feelings about terminating therapy. Instead of just never going back, go through the awkwardness of telling him how it felt when he said he was not equipped, and talk a little about this abandonment thing. Then, you two can wrap it up.

Often the termination of therapy is quite significant and you would be missing an opportunity if you did not talk about what happened. I have the feeling you have never told any of the people who abandoned you that you felt that they abandoned you, and how devastating that has felt. So this would be a new thing for you and I think you might grow by talking about it.

I wish you all the luck.
I wasn't surprised or dismayed at all when my child side came out. He was. I saw it coming and did not stop it because I was really glad that it had found his office safe enough to come out in. Whenever my child side comes out like that it's because the situation is considered safe. There are so few places that that can happen and it is so rare that my child side can come out that I am never dismayed when it does. I am only dismayed when people react badly when it does. But I am always glad when it tries to come out because it needs more outlets and I would love for people to be able to see all of me and not have to constantly hide. Hiding takes a lot of energy, even at the subconscious level and its exhausting.

I have definitely benefited and absolutely do not want to leave him. I like him very much and he is great for me. But just because he has been a good help and I like him does not mean that I can't leave him in a moment. What I will not be able to deal with is someone who does not want to work with me. I will work with him no matter what his shortcomings but if he wants to stop working with me because he feels that I am too much, I won't work with him. I have no problem telling him how I feel. He can decide if he feels equipped or not. The ball is in his court and he already made the next appointment for next month. But whatever he decides, I won't argue. I don't have the strength to fight for someone who does not want me.


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01 Jan 2016, 11:14 pm

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I have a suggestion and I don't think you will like it, but don't answer right away.

You were very surprised and dismayed that when your child side came out, he said he felt he was not equipped to deal with you.

I wasn't surprised or dismayed at all when my child side came out. He was. I saw it coming and did not stop it because I was really glad that it had found his office safe enough to come out in. Whenever my child side comes out like that it's because the situation is considered safe. There are so few places that that can happen and it is so rare that my child side can come out that I am never dismayed when it does. I am only dismayed when people react badly when it does. But I am always glad when it tries to come out because it needs more outlets and I would love for people to be able to see all of me and not have to constantly hide. Hiding takes a lot of energy, even at the subconscious level and its exhausting.


I'm afraid you misread me, and all for the lack of punctuation. I said "You were very surprised that when your child side came out...." It should have been, "You were very surprised that - when your child side came out - he said he felt that he was not equipped to deal with you." In other words, you were dismayed not by your child side, but by his inadequate response. I understood all along that that was what you meant.

Just a little correction! It never hurts to clarify.


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01 Jan 2016, 11:18 pm

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I have a suggestion and I don't think you will like it, but don't answer right away.

You were very surprised and dismayed that when your child side came out, he said he felt he was not equipped to deal with you.

I wasn't surprised or dismayed at all when my child side came out. He was. I saw it coming and did not stop it because I was really glad that it had found his office safe enough to come out in. Whenever my child side comes out like that it's because the situation is considered safe. There are so few places that that can happen and it is so rare that my child side can come out that I am never dismayed when it does. I am only dismayed when people react badly when it does. But I am always glad when it tries to come out because it needs more outlets and I would love for people to be able to see all of me and not have to constantly hide. Hiding takes a lot of energy, even at the subconscious level and its exhausting.


I'm afraid you misread me, and all for the lack of punctuation. I said "You were very surprised that when your child side came out...." It should have been, "You were very surprised that - when your child side came out - he said he felt that he was not equipped to deal with you." In other words, you were dismayed not by your child side, but by his inadequate response. I understood all along that that was what you meant.

Just a little correction! It never hurts to clarify.
Oh! :lol: Darned those missed words! That does have a whole new meaning! :lol: Thank you for clarifying. :D


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