Do you think that virginia Tech killer Cho Seu was an Aspie?

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17 Apr 2007, 11:02 pm

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Not aspie, Asian.

What he did is normal in that culture. Some just kill themselves, which he had to do because his family paid for his education, a huge investment, and he lied and was an English Major.

He wanted to be an American, have a girl and a Greencard. His dreams did not work out.

His family used all of their connections, he would graduate and go home, they had him a place for a Business Degree. Most likely they wanted transcripts for a resume. End of the line.

Some just kill themselves, more common among Asians, others go Berserk, run down the street killing people till they are killed, or have worked up the situation where they can kill themselves.

Psychopathic rage is very Asian.


WTF are you talking about? Psychopathic rage is NOT very Asian. That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard anyone say.



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17 Apr 2007, 11:18 pm

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Obsessions with members of the opposite sex (or same sex if you're gay) are somewhat common, and some people could have OCD or a OCPD. You don't have to be an Aspie to listen to the same song--it could be from OCD, or something that was significant to him in his mind because of his illness. (I've listened to the same song over and over again sometimes and have not been able to get diagnosed with AS and have even been told that other people without AS do that. For instance, a college roommate of mine kept playing the same album over and over and over after she bought it, and she was definitely not AS or autie, and wasn't a killer either for that matter!)

Remember the astronaut that was obsessed with a guy and drove a long distance (I forget how far) to shoot his girlfriend? She put on the diapers they wear in space so she wouldn't have to stop to use the restroom? She was definitely obsessed and violent, yet she didn't seem to be Aspie from the descriptions of her, and a couple people on here even said something about how NT's have problems to when this happened.

Various types of mental illnesses and personality disorders can cause all types of behaviors. I hope everyone isn't going to start saying this guy was an Aspie just because he might have seemed to fit a couple characteristics--how was he when he was a child? What has happened to him in his life--we don't know what kind of childhood he had, if he might have had abuse by someone, or what kinds of things happened.


It's completely possible that he had OCD or another mental disorder that caused those obsessions, similar to what happened with in the astronaut's case. It was just one of those things that made me wonder, and add it to his being a "loner" and his reported issues with eye contact, I can see why someone would think he was an Aspie or an Autie. But if he wasn't close to anyone at school, no one can say whether or not he had sensory issues. If that were the case, I think there would be a good basis to think he was an actual Aspie.

As it is, we don't know all of the details and I agree with you in that it could have been an entirely different problem. Maybe it was Paranoid Personality Disorder? Maybe he was quiet and withdrawn because he thought people were out to harm him? But I don't think we'll ever know for sure, unless his parents decide to release a detailed account of his childhood and how he behaved during it.

If people do start saying that he was an Aspie, I hope it doesn't escalate to "Everyone with Asperger's Syndrome is a threat to society". I'm sure there are a few, just as there are threats to society in every group of people, but if everyone with Asperger's is suddenly punished because one person may or may not have had it... That would be an awful tragedy.



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17 Apr 2007, 11:53 pm

Correction: Borderline Personality Disorder in all its glory. BPD is known for being accompanied by the characteristics of dissociation, which is why I mistakenly drew that as my initial conclusion. Extreme BPD + self-centered, perfectionistic parents = massacre. I'd certainly have a bone to pick with Cho, himself, if he were still alive, but his parents and teachers should have taken more efforts to get him straightened out. I would have picked this kid out within ten minutes of knowing him. He wasn't rotten like a true sociopath, but he was a mad dog because no one bothered to take him in for DX. No, he wasn't Aspie, and, even if he was, it wouldn't have had nearly as much to do with his actions as BPD.



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18 Apr 2007, 12:01 am

Post: #14RE: Virginia Tech Massacre: "He Was a Loner"

I haven't read through this Thread, but would like to add a Post Script from an earlier private message that I sent to a friend on AFF this morning:

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A sad note: Todays Headline in the paper was about the horrific killings at a college in Virginia. I'm sure it's gone global in the news. I fear to speculate that it was a misdiagnosed individual, given the wrong prescription that sent his brain into a psychotic rampage. :( End PS


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18 Apr 2007, 12:08 am

My arm chair diagnosis of him is Schizotypal personality disorder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizotypa ... y_disorder

My logic: Loner, had Imaginary girl friend, said he could see promiscuity in a girls eyes,
stalker.

Schizotypal is likely a common condition that the criteria many persons with aspergers meet. But technically if one has aspergers it eliminates an official diagnosis of Schizotypal personality disorder.



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18 Apr 2007, 12:25 am

Back to Alex's remark that Asian people aren't afraid how their image is affected.
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18 Apr 2007, 12:30 am

Inventor wrote:
Not aspie, Asian.

What he did is normal in that culture. Some just kill themselves, which he had to do because his family paid for his education, a huge investment, and he lied and was an English Major.

He wanted to be an American, have a girl and a Greencard. His dreams did not work out.

His family used all of their connections, he would graduate and go home, they had him a place for a Business Degree. Most likely they wanted transcripts for a resume. End of the line.

Some just kill themselves, more common among Asians, others go Berserk, run down the street killing people till they are killed, or have worked up the situation where they can kill themselves.

Psychopathic rage is very Asian. Like Lubbies, the tower, Columbine, the Amish School, none of them planned on leaving alive. It is a form of suicide, sometimes called death by cop. I am sure he expected Dirty Harry to show up at the first shooting. Most likely stood around waiting, nobody showed, and he walked out unnoticed after that? Nobody noticed?

It is hard to hide being Asian, yet he walks a half mile across campus? He got away with it? So he went in another building and did it again, then still no Dirty Harry, so he killed himself.

I would like to know the time of the first report to the police, and how long they took to respond.

How long did it take them to reach the second scene?

At Columbine they stood off several hundred yards with automatic rifles, and listened to the shootings. They did point guns art excaping students, making them put their hands on their heads, pushing them to the ground and cuffing their hands. The did not enter the building till long after the shooting stopped.

It seems this bunch waited, gathered, dressed in their SWAT overtime bonus pay suits, then went an hour later? Students and teachers were carrying out the wounded, where were the police and the ambulances?

We lost 250 when New Orleans flooded, and another 1250 when none of the paid for relief forces showed up for a week. Government exists to protect and serve government.

If you find yourself in a disaster, do not expect any help.


I should say that it is not easy to be an Asian and live in the Western world. I'm Asian and I'm proud of it, but at times I did feel that I wished I was not who I were. I have been seriously depressed, and I do admit it is partly related to identity issues and difficulty fitting into the society which might have been intensified because of my Asian background and autistic tendencies. But inspite of all that I appreciate being an Asian as there is beauty to it as there is beauty in belonging to any kind of race or ethnicity. And I would not exchange my ethnic background with anything else, as I feel it is a part of me, unique and valuable.

I have Asian background and I did indepth study in Asian culture and I can't find any evidence that killing or killing oneself or "going Berserk" or "psycopathic rage" is "normal" in Asian culture...
Also, I don't think we can make assumptions about what this person wanted or thought or what his dreams were or his past...

I would say the biggest reason for this awful incident cannot be explained by any kind of lable. Aspie or Asian or loner or whatever...The main reason seems to be uncontrolled anger...
Things could have been different if adequate intervention was made...Or if he had reached out for help...It is just awful that something like this happened...It is disturbing and depressing.



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18 Apr 2007, 12:50 am

Doubtful. Even if he does, he has way worse problems than AS. Here we go again with the stigma being put on loners as being sociopathic killers. Incidents like these really make me angry.


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18 Apr 2007, 1:05 am

I doubt he was AS. Some people are just born like this (you typically know by a young age though). Still, it's scary to think about that even your neighbors could be like this somehow. Mine aren't, it's just an example.



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18 Apr 2007, 2:34 am

I seriously doubt he was, to my knowledge, individuals w/ AS are more prone to suicide than acts of violance like that, it is possible though, but i hope to God its not (whenever the news tries to show Aspergers/Autism in a normal sense, they generally screw it up already, so i can only imagine what misinformation would come out of this)



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18 Apr 2007, 2:42 am

I think it is very possible given he rarely talked, avoided eye contact, had few friends etc. I do agree with others I hope it doesn't give us a bad name. However I think it is important to realise that for whatever reason Cho was extremely lonely and angry. In order to help prevent future incidents this is important.



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18 Apr 2007, 2:45 am

The latest I read is he was on SSRI's. I know a number of people who have been put on them and started acting insane when they had been normal people before. I know someone who got violent on them. Then there are reports from last year stating kids get suicidal on SSRI's.

It is true that as a South Korean avoiding eye contact is normal. Looking someone in the eyes for more than a split second is viewed as a threat. I worked for a Korean before and this is true. I think some of you need to rethink what you posted, or more like grow up, when you say psycho behavior is normal for Asians. It doesn't matter what race you are; you are no better than anyone else. Some of the kindest people I have ever met are Korean and Chinese and some of the worst are Caucasian Americans. In fact the majority of the famous psychopathes in America are Caucasian. That doesn't mean all Caucasians are psychos though. Race has nothing to do with this except for this kid may have dealt with racist pigs who bullied him. Murderers come in all colors.

The guy does seem to have some Aspie traits, but if he wasn't diagnosed before his death they can never prove it. He may have been maniac depressive too or could just have been the meds he was on.

I'd like to remind some of the old timers on here we have had a number of young people who claim to be Aspie post on here that they wanted to kill someone or themselves. In the times past when people have posted on here that they wanted to kill someone nothing was said against it nor was anything done about it. I don't think you can ignore those kinds of people. They might be just trying to get attention, but they might be crazy enough to try it too.



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18 Apr 2007, 2:59 am

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Psychopaths typically have an easygoing friendliness to them which helps them con potential victims. They lie often and without much thought. Accompanying this glib manner and deceitful, they overestimate their importance and place in the world; they're arrogant and self-centered. Their relationships with others are defined by exploitation; they only care about what they can get out of others (money, sex, entertainment). They are indifferent to other people's pain and feelings in general; their displays of emotion tend to be to manipulate and control more than an actual output of their feelings. They are very reckless and impulsive; they don't pay back debt and don't care if they what they take is someone else's. They tend not to plan ahead much.


Hey, I think I know someone like this...



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18 Apr 2007, 3:11 am

He was just one extreme of humanity, nothing more; nothing less.

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18 Apr 2007, 5:05 am

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18 Apr 2007, 5:40 am

Inventor wrote:
Not aspie, Asian.

What he did is normal in that culture.


I won't spam by quoting the entire post, but that was one of the most racist loads of bullcrap I have had the displeasure of reading. The entire post reeks of broad generalisations, stereotypes, psuedo research and a gross misinterpretation and misunderstanding of Asian culture. I would also like evidence to suggest that killing others and suicide is common amongst Asians. In fact, if this were so, shouldn't we be expecting massacres on this scale to happen daily in Asian countries? Yet this doesn't happen.

Anyways, I digress from the main subject.

My armchair view of this repulsive waste of human life who committed these murders would also be schizotypal personality disorder. I would rank that as more probable than Asperger's.


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